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The casino says my husband and I cannot share the same gaming IP despite having two different accounts. They cannot prove that they are the same person, and since they are two different natural persons and not the same person with two accounts (the term "duplicate" means that; these are two different accounts managed by two different people) they do not c is no contravention of the ridiculous casino rules. They closed the casino and took the 1000 I had won. Bad customer service in chat, with extremely poor people responding like robots "that's the rule". Customer Support has no longer responded. I would be curious to know if they would have done this check if I hadn't picked up. Definitely not, they would have continued to pocket my money without any complaints. What a shame, not one is saved, what intellectual and intellectual baseness. LibraBet is just like the others.

Il casino dice che io e mio marito non possiamo condividere lo stesso IP di gioco, pur avendo due account diversi. Non possono dimostrare che si tratta della stessa persona, e dal momento che sono due persone fisiche diverse e non una stessa persona con due account (il termine "duplicato" indica quello; si tratta di due account diversi gestiti da due persone diverse) non c'è nessuna contravvenzione delle regole ridicole del casino. Hanno chiuso il casino e preso i 1000 che avevo vinto. Servizio clienti in chat pessimo, con gente estremamente misera che risponde come dei robot "è questo il regolamento". Il Supporto clienti non ha più risposto. Sarei curioso di sapere se questo controllo l'avrebbero fatto se io non avessi prelevato. Sicuramente no, avrebbero continuato ad intascare i miei soldi senza alcun reclamo. Che vergogna, non se ne salva uno, che bassezza intellettuale e intellettiva. LibraBet è proprio come gli altri.

Dear Giuggi,

Thank you very much for submitting your complaint. I’m sorry to hear about your problem. I have checked terms and conditions, and this is what I found https://librabet.com/en/rules in the section "3. PROTECTION AND SAFETY OF INFORMATION":

"3.3 Only one gaming account is allowed for your real personal data. Opening an account is allowed only for one person, using one address, one phone number, and one IP address. Any other accounts that are opened on the Website will be considered as "Duplicate Accounts." In that case, the Casino reserves the right to close all of the Duplicate Accounts and to apply the following sanctions: each action performed using a Duplicate Account is considered void. If while the Duplicate Account was active, monetary funds, bonuses, or winnings were withdrawn from the Duplicate Account, these will be lost and the Casino retains the right to ask for the return of those assets. LibraBet reserves the right to cancel bets, reject bonuses of any kind, cancel participation in any promotion, as well as permanently ban any client from the bonus program of the Website. It also reserves the right to disallow opening an account or close an existing account without prior written notice or any explanation."

When did the casino find out that you and your partner both have accounts here? How long have you been both playing here?

Best regards,

Kristina

Dear Kristina, thanks for the email. The weaknesses of what LibraBet write are the following:

1) I only shared my husband's PC once, so the IP is only paid for that time. The winnings came from playing from another PC with another IP and I challenge those at LibraBet to prove otherwise.

2) In fact the concept of "duplicate" is incorrect, because no account was duplicated, it was a temporary sharing of a PC terminal. They were two distinct individuals and accounts, so the concept of duplication is somewhat inappropriate.

3) They noticed this when I tried to withdraw the money (strange isn't it?), Because when I paid they didn't notice anything.

4) What is the rationale for taking away my winnings? How, using the same PC, would I have "distorted" the bets so much that I took away my winnings? Why not give me the money I had won?

Do you realize how absurd the situation is and how not serious those of LibraBet are?

And then, does it seem normal to you that I receive an email closing the account and withdrawing winnings with a "non-negotiable" decision, without having an additional email to ask for explanations or without being able to speak to a competent operator?

Can you help me please,

Thank you

G.

Gentile Kristina, grazie per la mail. I punti deboli di quanto scrivono quelli di LibraBet sono i seguenti:

1) Ho condiviso il PC di mio marito solo una volta, pertanto l'IP è corrisposto solo per quella volta. Le vincite sono pervenute giocando da un altro PC con un altro IP e sfido quelli di LibraBet a provare il contrario.

2) Di fatto il concetto di "duplicato" è scorretto, perché nessun account è stato duplicato, si è trattato di una temporanea condivisione di un terminale PC. Si è trattato di due distinti individui e account, dunque il concetto di duplicazione è alquanto inappropriato.

3) Si sono accorti di questa cosa quando ho tentato di prelevare il denaro (strano vero?), perché quando ho versato non si erano accorti di nulla.

4) Qual è il razionale di togliermi le vincite? In che modo usando lo stesso PC avrei "falsato" le giocate tanto da togliermi le vincite? Perché non darmi il denaro che avevo vinto?

Si rende conto di quanto sia assurda la situazione e di quanto siano poco seri quelli di LibraBet?

E poi, le pare normale che io riceva una mail di chiusura conto e ritiro vincite con decisione "non negoziabile", senza avere una ulteriore mail per chiedere spiegazioni o senza potere parlare con un operatore competente?

Mi aiuti per favore,

Grazie

G.

Thank you very much Giuggi for your reply. I will now transfer your complaint to my colleague Matej who will be at your assistance. I wish you the best of luck and hope to see your problem being resolved to your satisfaction soon.

Hello Giuggi.

I understand your position, but in a situation like yours, there is very little what we can do. 

First of all, casinos are checking the players when they make a withdrawal, not before because they save the time of their people; thus, it is cheaper. So it is no coincidence, that's common practice.

Now imagine the situation that you live in the family with your parents and you also have an adult kid in one household. You find a good casino, which offers a great welcome bonus. This bonus is truly amazing, but you can take it only once. Then imagine that you got an idea to create the account for your parents/wife/kid and suddenly you have 5 chances to convert this bonus. And because the bonus is something like a paid commercial (the casino is giving you something for free to convince you that they are the best casino for you - so it is like an investment into future profits) This system is failing if you have a chance to use the bonus multiple times.

And because there are people who are following this idea, the rule - one bonus per IP/household exists.

And now, back to your problem:

Because you and your wife are living in the same address, nobody knows if it was really she, who was playing. If they make an exception for you, then the many other people will want the same exception and between them would also be somebody who will abuse it.

Therefore there is no dialogue in these cases, and this rule is very strict.

The key question here is: did you both claim the welcome bonus?

Dear Giuggi,

We are extending the timer by 7 days. Please, be aware that in case you fail to provide the required information in the given time frame, we will reject your complaint.

Unfortunately, we’re forced to reject this case because the player hasn’t responded to our messages and questions. Therefore, we’re not able to proceed with further investigation or suggest possible solutions.

The player can reopen this complaint anytime.