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hi casino guru thank you for contacting me and I hope that at least you can help me with this bad experience my email and Daniele23012@gmail.com but you already know this exactly I had deposited 58 euro with 40% bonus Monday I played always definitely less than 5 euros at maximum spin I reach 4 these great gentlemen we are talking about Joocasino.com. They confirmed to me while I was playing that if I would carry out the wager until the end I would be able to withdraw my money so after it was over I confirmed all the necessary documents I had made the cashout the gentlemen in question joocasino.com if they came out taking away the sodoi while I was in the game i.e. re-accrediting them and removing all that I had passed the bet and instead I was not only in the buy bonus only at the end they told me that it was not possible to make the buy bonus raised the money without being even warned when I raised the bet to a euro the machine came out if I bought bonuses I bought them maximum at a bet of 0.75 cents then what are we talking about ?? with the hope that you can give me a hand I embrace you and greet you.

Daniele Rizzo. The casino in question is joocasino.com but it is not on the list

salve casino guru vi ringrazio per avermi contattato e spero che almeno voi riusciate a darmi una mano con questa brutta esperienza la mia email e Daniele23012@gmail.com ma questo lo sapete già esattamente avevo depositato 58 euro con il 40% di bonus Monday ho giocato sempre sicuramente a meno di 5 euro a spin massimo ho raggiungo 4 questi grandi signori stiamo parlando di Joocasino.com. Mi hanno confermato mente giocavo che se avrei effettuato il wager fino alla fine sarei riuscito a prelevare i miei soldi così dopo che lo finì confermai tutti quanti i documenti necessari avevo Fatto il cashout i signori in questione joocasino.com se ne sono usciti levandomi i sodoi mentre Ero nel game cioè riaccreditandomeli e levandomi tutti che io avessi superato il bet e invece no ero solamente in bonus buy solo alla fine mi hanno detto che non si poteva effettuare il bonus buy levato i soldi senza fossi stato nemmeno avvertito quando alzavo il bet a un euro la macchinetta usciva se compravo bonus li ho comprati massimo a un bet di 0.75 centesimi allora di che stiamo parlando??con la speranza che mi possiate dare una mano vi abbraccio e vi saluto.

Daniele Rizzo.il casino in questione è joocasino.com ma non c’è nella lista

Dear Daniele,

Thank you very much for submitting your complaint. I’m very sorry to hear about your problem. I have checked promotional terms, and this is what I found:

"Limitation of the maximum bet while wagering: 5 EUR/USD. Max bet limit (5 EUR) includes bets doubling after a game round has been completed, bonus rounds (purchased within the game)."

Our position closely explained in Fair Gambling Codex https://casino.guru/fair-gambling-codex-for-casinos#max-bets: The max bet rule is, in fact, an industry standard, just as the fact that a casino has the right to seize the player's winnings from bonus play after breaking this rule. We prefer not to go against industry standards by penalizing casinos that use the maximum bet rule against players from time to time.

On the other hand, we think that this rule should be enforced at software level, i.e., that the casino's software or website shouldn't let players place higher bets than the limit. This is one of our requirements for 'fair and safe casinos'.

If software enforcement is not possible, each case should be judged separately, so that only players who have broken the rule knowingly and systematically to gain an advantage are punished.

Daniele, please could you forward your game history from the bonus play together with a link of the specific bonus that you have redeemed and played? My email address is petronela.k@casino.guru. Thank you in advance for your reply.

Best regards,

Petronela

Petronela I just replied to you by email I didn't break the rules since I bought the bonus when it was real and in the T&C it isn't written that I broke the rules in this way since my money had already become real so they didn't have the right to get up nothing do you agree ?? Cheapue

Petronela ti ho appena risposto per email non ho infranto le regole poiché io ho comprato il bonus quando era reale e nei T&C non c’è scritto che io abbia infranto regole in questo modo poiché il mio denaro era già diventato reale quindi non avevano il diritto di levarmi niente sei d’accordo?? Cheapue 

Thank you very much Daniele for your quick reply. I will transfer now your complaint to my colleague Matej who will be at your assistance. I wish you best of luck and hope to see your problem being resolved to your satisfaction in the near future.

dear manager, I think there is something wrong with the bonus section I know that you turn a blind eye every now and then about T&C maybe you should review this case because the reason why I confiscated the money was for the 59.90 buy bonus it and was made with real money so I'm always on the side of reason I would like you to prove the opposite since I have evidence of the wager ended and the last bonus in which you confiscated the money in fact if you read well in the T&C there is nothing written about it to the fact that you can withdraw real money winnings but only in bonuses I wait my money with anxiety and concern arrived at this point I will turn to the competent authorities since you do not want to reason and you are turning the omelette as you want. Still hoping finally for your "professionalism" I greet you and embrace you from afar Best regards Daniele *****. I still waiting do you guys have a news about my case? Thank you so much for the help.

Hello Daniele.

As I explained to you in email, without all your betting history, we can't investigate the case. I would not make rush decisions just based on some assumptions. We need the assistance of the casino in your case, so please be patient and wait on their reply. It will take a while till they check all the data.

Hello there, 

Dear Casino Guru, thank you for contacting Joo Casino managment.

Dear Daniele, 

Thank you for your patience.

We reviewed your case and we would like to invite you to check our Bonus T&C ' 7. Limitation of the maximum bet while wagering: 5 EUR/USD, 350 RUB, 50 NOK, 7 CAD, 7 AUD, 7 NZD, 0.0015 BTC, 0.005 BCH, 0.05 ETH, 0.019 LTC, 2,600 DOG, 20 PLN. Max bet limit (5 EUR) includes bets doubling after a game round has been completed, bonus rounds (purchased within the game).'
https://www.joocasino.com/bonus-terms-and-conditions

We found out that you have exceeded the maximum bet while playing with the bonus. Sorry, but due to that we had to correct your balance to the deposit amount. We kindly ask you to observe our Bonus Terms & Conditions and be more attentive next time.

Sorry for any inconvenience caused and hope for understanding.

Dear Casino Guru, let me, please, know if any additional information is required.

Best regards, 
Joo Casino

Dear Daniele,  

from casino evidence, it is clear that you made bets higher than €5 and therefore breached the casino bonus terms and conditions.

If you don't have anything else to say, regarding this case, I will close the complaint as "rejected."

Hello casino guru .. I'm sorry to hear what the casino has to say about it and yes if possible I would like more information on the matter, since in the question asked to the support I was told that I could withdraw the winnings after the wager and they didn't applied terms and conditions at that time not even previously since I have always made the bonus buy but I also have always left me alone I can tell you this for example because to make "respect the T&C when the wager is finished I have finished the verification of the documents and with the last 80 euros in real money I bought my bonus and at that moment only at that moment I was subtracted the full amount of the winnings .. therefore consequently I consider it a bit of an incorrectness like you too now I hope you are thinking about it given the situation they can At that moment apply T&C when the regulation does not include it ?? Because I have to say I have searched far and wide but there is nothing written about it on the casino or on other sites.

Always hoping with all my heart to finally resolve this surreal situation I greeted you and embraced you given the world emergency always from afar �

Salve casino guru.. mi dispiace sentire ciò che habda dire il casino in merito e si se possibile vorrei maggiori informazioni in merito alla questione, visto che nella domanda fatta al supporto mi è stato detto che potevo ritirare le vincite dopo il wager e non hanno applicato termini e condizioni in quel momento nemmeno in precedenza poiché io ho sempre effettuato bonus buy ma a me tra l’altro mi hanno anche lasciato sempre perdere posso dirvi questo per esempio perché fare "rispettare i T&C quando il wager e finito ho terminato la verifica dei documenti e con gli ultimi 80 euro in soldi reali io ho comprato il mio bonus  e  in quel momento solo in quel momento mi è stato sottratto l’intero importo della vincita.. quindi di conseguenza la considero un po’ una scorrettezza come anche voi ora spero la stiate pensando vista la situazione possono loro In quel momento applicare T&C quando il regolamento non lo comprende?? Perché io devo dire ho cercato in lungo e in largo ma non c’è scritto niente in merito ne sul casino ne su altri siti. 

Sperando sempre con tutto il cuore di risolvere finalmente questa situazione al quanto surreale io vi salutò e vi abbraccio vista l’emergenza mondiale sempre da lontano �

As you can see below, on the casino website, there is information about the bonus rules which you need to follow. Bonus terms and condition rule number 7 says that you cannot make a bet higher than €5. During your play with a bonus (Monday bonus), you made multiple bets higher than €5. That is the reason why your winnings were voided. I hope that I explained all.

I 've already received the proofs from the casino. I replied to you based on what I saw. If you believe that your winnings were from real money could you please send us your betting history, transaction history and bonus history as you can see it on the picture.

We can doublecheck it with the proofs what we have from Joo Casino.

Please use my email address: matej@casino.guru

I have already attached a wager after confirming the chat support to be able to withdraw my winnings at the end of the wager and at the end of my confiscated winnings do you need anything else?

Ho già allegato wager terminato conferma del supporto chat di poter ritirare le mie vincite a fine wager ed in fine la mia vincita confiscata avete bisogno di altro?

Yes, I do—your betting history. During the wagering of the bonus you should not make any bets higher than €5, am I correct?

Based on your screenshot you finished the wagering of your bonus March 16, 17:38.

Could you please make a screenshot of your bets before you finish the wagering?

Thanks.

Unfortunately this is the best I can show you in the betting history .. It is the next day I had the real balance and given the situation I also spent what little I had left You also see that the bets almost do not even exceed the euro ??

Putroppo questo è il massimo che posso mostrarvi nella cronologia scommesse..Si tratta del giorno dopo mi era rimasto del saldo reale e vista la situazione ho speso anche quel poco che mi rimaneva Vedete anche voi che I bet quasi totalmente non superano nemmeno l’euro??

Could you please send me the specific time frame from your betting history what I requested?

I can't reach that threshold the website won't allow me to go down the maximum that I could show you and this

non riesco a raggiungere quella soglia il  sito web non me lo permette scendendo il massimo che vi ho potuto mostrare e questo

Ok Daniele, I try one more time explained to you what happened.

While you had a Monday bonus before you finished wagering (March 16, 17:38) you made multiple bets which exceed €5.

Because of that, your bonus was void. (but the casino didn't do that immediately. Casino checking the gameplay when you make a withdrawal and only after that they are voiding winnings from irregular play)

You continued to play and lost most of the money from bonus winnings but on end have some winnings.

But all these winnings come from the bonus and during playing with this bonus, you breached the terms. All this leads to voiding your winnings.  

I am very sorry, and I can understand how are you feeling, but the casino has the right to confiscate you all the winnings.

Strange to hear you say this you know and the same thing happened I met a person on discord who claimed to have had a bad experience similar to mine we are talking about 2.5k you see that a good reputation is being created with the Italians this website yes take advantage because it does not have the AAMS license because I have never had any problem of this type in our certified casinos, I was also told that if I had a double passport I would have been treated differently from them you know why I am realizing it by hearing it on my own skin what to say I will no longer set foot in a casino .com if I do not have what is rightfully mine they can also check the winnings afterwards but this does not detract from the fact that they confiscated my winnings with my real money and therefore how written in T&C they can only do it in bonuses and there is no written at all that control when you make the cashout if you have broken the rules how it works here c hi the more you have the more you put it ?? what kind of reasoning are these guys ?? We are kidding. I will not suffer further personal abuse from these "people who do not call themselves machines" but manage to steal money even in an ongoing world emergency .. many of us in Italy have lost their jobs and we are doing everything not to see our loved ones and do not leave the house in this situation of sacrifice .. once this bad dream is over, if the gentlemen in question do not really enforce the T&C as they should surely have my quick news.

(BECAUSE I AM ALWAYS ON THE SIDE OF THE REASON BUT I DO NOT FEEL HELPED BUT TAKEN AND WITH THE FINGERED POINT AGAINST) ..

Strano sentire dirti questo sai e successa la stessa cosa ho conosciuto una persona su discord che ha affermato di avere avuto una brutta esperienza simile alla mia stiamo parlando di 2.5k si vede che si sta creando proprio una bella reputazione con gli italiani questo sito web sI approfitta perché non ha lincenza AAMS perché Io non ho mai avuto nessun problema di questo tipo nei casinò certificati nostri, mi è stato anche detto che se avessi avuto doppio passaporto sarei stato trattato differentemente da loro voi sapete il perché io me ne sto rendendo conto sentendolo sulla mia propria pelle che dire non metterò più piede in un casino .com se non avrò quello che è mio di diritto possono anche controllare le vincite dopo ma questo non toglie il fatto che mi hanno confiscato le vincite con i miei soldi reali e quindi come scritto in T&C loro possano farlo solo in bonus e non c’è scritto affatto che controllano quando fai il cashout se hai infranto le regole come funziona qua chi più ne ha più ne metta?? ma che razza di ragionamenti sono questi ragazzi?? Stiamo scherzando Non mi farò subire ulteriore abuso personale da parte di queste "persone che non si definiscono macchine" ma riescono a rubare soldi anche in in emergenza mondiale in atto.. molti di noi in Italia abbiamo perso lavoro e stiamo facendo di tutto per non vedere i nostri cari e non uscire di casa in questa situazione di sacrificio .. finita questo brutto sogno se i signori in questione non faranno veramente valere i T&C come si deve avranno sicuramente mie notizie celeri.

(PERCHÉ SONO SEMPRE DALLA PARTE DELLA RAGIONE MA NON MI SENTO AIUTATO MA PRESO IN GIRO E CON IL DITO PUNTATO CONTRO)..

I am very sorry about the situation in your country. All the countries suffer now, and it is unfortunate, but it has nothing to do with this case. You are still blaming the casino, and I multiple times told you that it is you who make a mistake. Your winnings are not from real money, and you cannot take them.

I will give you an example and maybe you better understand the situation:

Imagine that you are going to the bank to withdraw some money. But you are going there with a gun which is forbidden. (the gun is like your bets higher than €5) They give you money because you have a gun, even though you don't have any money at your account. (you finished the wagering) And then you run away with the money. (nobody tells you that something is wrong because that casino do only when you try to withdraw) With the money, you buy a car, apartment but then the police find you and arrest you. (casino accused you from breaching bonus terms) You are saying: fine, you got me. Take the rest of the money, but everything that I bought from that money is rightfully mine. Does it make sense? Because that is what happened in your case.

Police also confiscate your car and apartment because you bought them from stolen money. (your winnings originating from bonus which was voided)

You breached the bonus conditions and got some winnings after you finished the wagering, but casino told you, sorry you can't keep that money - all the money comes from a bonus, where you breached T&C's.

I really would like to know where you played before because this rule is pretty standard everywhere. If you don't believe me, then go to court, or ask a lawyer or somebody else but you will get the same answer.

One more time I am very sorry about the bad news, but it was you who breached the bonus terms and condition and casino has the right to void your winnings.

I understood from the beginning what you were saying to me, I only said that I do not find the fact that when I asked the casino if I could withdraw the winnings after the wager I was answered yes it would have been enough to tell me look you are breaking T&C because I when I won 1000 euros I did it at the buy bonus even if at 0.25 I immediately contacted the chat support, I would have been happy if for the transparency even if he had told me I don't know look you broke T&C we confiscate your winnings and don't say yes to a player get it to the end of the wager check the documents get it downloaded and then cancel the money this does not make sense because as I have already told you the money may also have been confiscated for the buy bonuses made when I was on the bonus balance but from now on finished the wager and the money is real you can not because there is no such thing written in the regulation maybe they too should have a program that does not allow the player such company one while playing at least in order not to risk these types of uncomfortable situations this does not detract from the fact that I should have read better T&C because when people can take advantage and get an advantage they do it..Ps I don't remember ever being beaten in such T&C here I have never confiscated my winnings but that's okay so you can also close the case for me it no longer makes sense to leave it open only one thing given the situation in their place I would have returned the money to the player because there was a lot let's call it "confusion" in history

thanks anyway casino guru for trying ...

Yours sincerely Daniele Rizzo.

Ho capito dal inizio cio che mi stavate dicendo,io ho detto solamente che non trovo giusto il fatto che quando ho domandato al casino se potevo ritirare le vincite dopo il wager mi è stato risposto di sì sarebbe bastato dirmi guarda che stai infrangendo T&C perché io quando ho vinto 1000 euro lo fatto al bonus buy anche se a 0.25 ho contattato subito il supporto chat,io sarei stato contento se per la trasparenza anche se mi avesse detto non lo so guarda hai infranto T&C ti confischiamo le vincite e non dire si a un giocatore farlo arrivare a fine wager controllare i documenti farlo scaricare e poi annullargli i soldi questo non ha alcun senso perché come vi ho già ripetuto i soldi potranno anche essermi stati confiscati per i bonus buy fatti quando ero in saldo bonus ma dal momento in poi finito il wager e i soldi sono reali non si può perché non c’è scritto nel regolamento una cosa del genere magari anche loro dovrebbero avere un programma che non permette al giocatore tale azione mentre si gioca almeno per non rischiare queste tipo di situazioni scomode questo non toglie il fatto che avrei dovuto leggere meglio T&C perché quando le persone si possono approfittare ed ottenere un vantaggio lo fanno..P.s non ricordo di essermi mai in battuto in tali T&C qui non mi hanno mai confiscato le vincite ma va bene cosi detto questo potete chiudere anche il caso per me non ha più senso lasciarlo aperto solo una cosa vista la situazione al posto loro io avrei restituito i soldi al giocatore perché c’è stato un mucchio di chiamiamola "confusione" Nella storia

grazie comunque casino guru per averci provato...

Distinti Saluti Daniele Rizzo.

Daniele, the support guy, can't do that. His job is not to analyse all your bets. That is the job of the security department, and they do that when you make a withdrawal. I have already checked everything, and I can tell you that the casino did everything correctly.

If you don't have any other problems, I want to reject your complaint.

Yes matej I agree with you I apologize for the inconvenience we close the case thanks

Si matej sono d’accordo con te mi scuso per il disturbo chiudiamo il caso grazie 

Thanks, I am closing the complaint as "rejected."