RokuBet Casino - Λογαριασμός αυτο-αποκλεισμένου παίκτη που έγινε λάθος από το καζίνο.

Hello, my name is João M** from Portugal, with fiscal number 24****399. I am a compulsive addicted gambler with a disease, depressed and suicidal risk. 

I have tried to stay away from online Casinos, I am nationally excluded, and made an abrangent exclusion on several licenses, like the Kahnawake gaming commission. I have big troubles with CasinoS under CEG and Antillephone NV, they failed with players protection big time... And Roku Casino took advantage of my addiction and let me register in their their website, with the same exact data that I registered in BetTilt, (ran by the same People here in Portugal, all from Abudantia BV) since I asked for help in BetTilt and my account was blocked for being addicted I never thought I could sign up or play in Roku. The companies have the same register number and the same license number as you can see in the screenshots I am sending you. Also, I even provided my ID.. as you know as a compulsive player we don't have control when we have a fallback.. we expect to be protected to this kind of things. The thing is Roku employees are lying and saying that they and BETTILT don't belong to the same company.. and therefore they can't make a refund because they say they are different companies.. which is not true, you can clearly see that BETTILT AND ROKU belong to ABUDANTIA B.V... they even have exactly the same register and license number. They are both considered illegal in Portugal.. also the employee from Roku is being very rude, and even mock me saying that 4020€ is not 30.000 or 40.000€... they also checked my personal data and violated RGPD, they even went to my instagram. Please help me getting my money back, there is more than proof that they are in fact the same company, and I begged for help and have my account excluded for addicted gambling in BetTilt for months now... but Roku ignored all of that and allowed me to deposit up to 4020€ always offering me bonus the staff in the chat... and promising acess to VIP Club. 

Help me getting my deposits on ROKU refunded please. The user data for both websites are

Jo***a****0@outlook.pt 

Mobile number +351******160

I am currently without any options, I really need the Help of Certia, Antillephone and the Curaçau gaming Comission. 

They should never allowed me playing so much money being an addicted player already excluded on their company. 

I have all the proofs that you need, just ask, I attached some screenshots of relevant talk with the chat, and the complaints present on Portuguese complaints site. 

Dear joaomarsh20,

Thank you very much for submitting your complaint. I’m sorry to hear about the issues you’ve experienced.

To help us better understand and investigate your situation, could you please provide additional information on the following points:

• You mentioned you have screenshots and relevant conversations with chat support. Could you please forward these to us?
• Did you receive any communication from Roku Casino regarding your exclusion request? If so, please share those details.
• You mentioned the issue of GDPR violations. Could you provide details on how your data was accessed and used by Roku Casino employees?
• Please send any relevant communication or documents to petronela.k@casino.guru.

I hope we will be able to help you to resolve this issue as soon as possible.

Thank you in advance for your reply.

Best regards,

Petronela

Yes I can send everything. Roku employees abused my addiction. They persecuted me and made me a target, as they looked at my social networks... even making fun of me. This is stalking and GDPR violation. They already knew I was addicted... they had all my information. That's why they refused to close the account and always offered me more bonuses, the truth is that I couldn't even have an account at ROKU, it goes against their policy on duplicate accounts, as I already had an account at BetTilt and requested self-exclusion due to problems game bass.

the database and employees are the same... it's threatening, making fun of the customer, stalking me on social media, it's not normal. The employee "miguel" made fun of the fact that he had lost €4,300, saying that he was exaggerating and that it wasn't the same as losing €30,000 or €40,000... he also enticed me, and even after showing my interest in closing the account, He kept offering me bonuses with offers to join the VIP Club and a VIP Manager.

I have more proof including a print showing that they were viewing my Instagram profile. If that's not a GDPR violation then I don't know what is. I would just like to resolve the situation well and have my money returned, the Casino committed several crimes and illegal acts that are prohibited in Portugal and do not comply with the regulatory entity's policies, such as encouraging and enticing gambling in a Casino illegal online, illegal advertising on Instagram with sharing of false gambling winnings... sending emails and messages offering bonuses... assigning a VIP Manager when deep down I wanted to close the account... and I used the same data in ROKU that I used in BetTilt, they are the same company and managed by the same people in Portugal…

sim posso enviar tudo. Os funcionários da Roku abusaram do meu vício. Perseguiram-me e fizeram de mim um alvo, pois foram ver as minhas redes sociais.. gozando até comigo. Isto é perseguição e violação de RGPD. Eles já a sabiam que era viciado.. tinham as minhas informações todas. Daí terem se recusado a fechar a conta e oferecerem-me sempre mais bónus, a verdade é que nem sequer podia ter conta na ROKU, vai contra política deles de contas duplicadas, visto já ter tido conta na BetTilt e ter pedido auto exclusão por problemas graves de jogo.

a base de dados e os funcionários são os mesmos.. é ameaçar, gozar com a cara do cliente, perseguir-me nas redes sociais, não é normal. O funcionário "miguel" gozou com o facto de ter perdido 4300€ dizendo que estava a exagerar e que não era o mesmo que perder 30000€ ou 40000€… também aliciou-me, e mesmo após mostrar o meu interesse em fechar a conta, ficou a oferecer-me bónus com ofertas para entrar para o Clube VIP e um VIP Manager.

tenho mais provas incluindo um print em que mostra que estiveram a ver o meu perfil de Instagram. Se é isso não é violação de RGPD então não sei o que é. Só gostava de resolver a situação a bem e ter o meu dinheiro devolvido, o Casino cometeu vários crimes e atos ilícitos que estão proibidos em Portugal e não vão de acordo com as políticas da entidade reguladora, tais como o incentivo e aliciamento ao jogo num Casino online ilegal, publicidade ilegal no Instagram com partilhas de ganhos de jogo falsos… envio de emails e mensagens a oferecer bónus… atribuição de um VIP Manager quando no fundo queria fechar a conta… e usei os mesmos dados na ROKU que usei na BetTilt, são a mesma empresa e gerida pelas mesmas pessoas em Portugal…

Also CasinoGuru Stated in the BetTilt complaint that the self-exclusion doesn’t Apply for both companies, but that is not true, its the same employees, and for example if you have an account closed on BetTilt and you win on Roku they block your funds and accounts due to account duplication. So… its exactly the same company, and the 4500€ were deposited with the same method and Phone Number from BetTilt, actually I used the same email and Phone Number for the Roku Bet account.. and they let me deposit 4500€ straight away without even any kind of verification.. I am almost sure that this goes against the regulator anti money laundry rules! And even more sure it goes against Portuguese rules, since any value above 1000€ requires KYC, citzens Card and address verification! Roku Bet didn’t even asked My full Name or date of birth looool even a kid can play in this Casino, How is this ok?!

can CasinoGuru please help me to reach an agreement with RokuBet/Abudantia B.V.? Or at least have someone of the company compliance team to talk with me here.. They don’t even answer to My emails… they say one the Portuguese Complaints website "Portal da Queixa" that the case is in the regulator hands… but they are saying that for almost 1 month now. I want to know if this is true and if CasinoGuru can contact also the regulator to know if this is true and reach an agreement. Antillephone NV doesn’t even answer to My complaints. I just feel lost and without any help from anyone. BetTilt and Roku seem to be above the law, and they are one of that casinos that have power to lure the regulator Antillephone to not do anything. I have been through a lot.. just help me some away, I feel hopeless.

Hi joaomarsh20,

I still haven't received any supporting evidence indicating that you informed this or any other casino about your gambling problem. Furthermore, checking your public social media profile cannot be considered a GDPR violation.

I've noticed that your Roku Casino account was blocked on June 6th, 2024.

Unfortunately, if you previously self-excluded from a sister casino, it does not apply to your Roku Casino account. Even though both casinos are operated by the same company and share the same Customer Support, they do not necessarily share a database of self-excluded players under the Curaçao Antillephone N.V. license.

Please inform me if there's any additional information I might have overlooked, but regrettably, I may have to reject your complaint as unjustified. I wish I could assist further.

Thank you in advance for your understanding and response.

BetTilt employees have this information! There is no evidence because they closed my account even because of gambling problems! And what you are saying is not true! There is more than proof that Roku and BetTilt do share the same database, in fact, they are the same employees and the team that responds to complaints here at

Portugal is the same! The proof of this is in the complaints I made on the Portal da Queixa, the company responds in the same way saying that the case has already been handed over to the license and is awaiting a decision from the legal department. In fact, BetTilt employees not only closed my gaming account several months ago, but also refuse to say what amounts were spent there. The clearest proof that it is in fact the same player database is that if you have an account at BetTilt and are lucky enough to win on Roku, they will block your account and claim that it is a duplicate account!

Roku did not do any type of KYC, and I was always lured by their employee called "Miguel" with offers of high bonuses and access to the VIP club.. all to make me deposit more and more money.. all this without doing KYC verification, and I signed up for Roku with the same details I've self-excluded myself in the past, same cell phone number, same email, and same deposit method!

The account where payments go is even the same in both Casinos.

How come CasinoGuru, instead of trying to help, is trying to side with an illegal Casino? Who used and abused the client?

It doesn't make sense, everyone is taking the case seriously and trying to help get answers from the company. Firstly, Antillephone's license is not valid in Portugal, it is on their own website.

Then Roku abused and enticed an already self-excluded player, and remember that both companies are managed by the same people and do have the same database.

In fact, BetTilt and Roku employees tried to lie at the beginning saying that they were not from the same company, but now that the case is more serious they both respond in the same way!

In addition to there being no player protection, how can a Casino accept such large deposits from an already self-excluded player?

I received an email from EM GROUP eMoore NV, which is the team that now also manages compliance for Roku and BetTilt, the seal is at the bottom of the Roku website. eMoore responded that it would also attempt to contact Roku and the regulator. As you can see, the complaint is well-founded, and I am right in what I say! In addition, they constantly sent me emails and text messages offering bonuses.

can you help me? Maybe contacting eMoore nv and Antillephone?

Attached are responses from Roku and BetTilt, both managed by the same people.

os funcionários da BetTilt têm essa informação! Não tem evidências porque eles fecharam a minha conta mesmo por problemas de jogo! E o que você está a dizer não é verdade! Existe mais do que provas de que a Roku e a BetTilt partilham sim a mesma base de dados, aliás, são os mesmo funcionários e a equipa de responde ás reclamações aqui em

Portugal é a mesma! A prova disso está nas reclamações que fiz no Portal da Queixa, a empresa responde de igual forma a dizer que o caso já está entregue á licença e aguarda decisão do departamento jurídico. Aliás, os funcionários da BetTilt além de terem fechado a minha conta de jogo há vários meses atrás, também se recusam a dizer quais os montantes gastos lá. A prova mais clara de que se trata de facto da mesma base de dados de jogadores, é que se você tiver conta na BetTilt e tiver a sorte de ganhar na Roku, vão bloquear a sua conta e alegar que é uma conta duplicada!

A Roku não fez qualquer tipo de KYC, e fui sempre aliciado pelo funcionário deles chamado "Miguel" com ofertas de bónus altos e acessos ao club VIP.. tudo para me fazer depositar mais e mais dinheiro.. tudo isto sem fazer verificação KYC, e inscrevi-me na Roku com os mesmos dados que já estou auto-excluído no passado, mesmo número de telemóvel, mesmo email, e mesmo método de depósito!

A conta para onde vão os pagamentos são inclusive a mesma nos 2 Casinos.

Como é que o CasinoGuru em vez de tentar ajudar está a tentar ficar do lado de um Casino ilegal? Que usou e abusou do cliente?

Não faz sentido, toda a gente está a tratar do caso com seriedade e a tentar ajudar a obter respostas da empresa.. primeiramente a licença da Antillephone não é válida em Portugal, está no próprio site deles.

Depois a Roku abusou e aliciou um jogador já auto-excluido, e atenção que ambas as empresas são geridas pelas mesmas pessoas e possuem sim a mesma base de dados.

Aliás, os funcionários da BetTilt e da Roku tentaram mentir no início dizendo que não eram da mesma empresa, mas agora que o caso está mais sério respondem ambos da mesma forma!

além de que não existiu proteção ao jogador, como pode um Casino aceitar depósitos tão altos de um jogador já auto-excluido?

recebi um email do EM GROUP eMoore N.V que é a equipa gere agora o compliance também da Roku e BetTilt, está o selo em baixo do website da Roku. A eMoore respondeu que iria também tentar contactar a Roku e a entidade reguladora. Como podem ver a queixa é fundamentada, e tenho razão nas coisas que digo! Além de que constantemente me enviaram emails e mensagens de texto a oferecer bónus.

conseguem me ajudar? Talvez contactando a eMoore nv e Antillephone ?

Segue em anexo respostas da Roku e da BetTilt, ambas geridas pelas mesmas pessoas.

On the same night, in a matter of 2 hours they let me deposit more than €4500 in a row, without even a verification or KYC, this even goes against the Casino and regulator's own money laundering rules

Na mesma noite, em questão de 2 horas deixaram-me depositar mais de 4500€ seguidos, sem haver sequer uma verificação ou KYC, isso vai até contra as regras de lavagem de dinheiro do próprio Casino e regulador

Hi joaomarsh20,

Could you please confirm if you have already reached out to the Licensing Authority, Curaçao Antillephone N.V.? If so, could you forward any relevant communication you've had with them? The only communication I have found so far is the one below, which is not from the Licensing Authority.

Thank you.

Hello Petronela, despite the company Roku and BetTilt saying they are waiting for the licensing authority's decision, I never received a response from them. I've sent a lot of emails and they never respond to complaints! The only company that responded was Roku's compliance team, eMoore NV. Antillephone NV as an authority does little or nothing, leaving people without knowing what they are doing. The Roku team just says that the case is handed over to the regulatory entity and the legal department... but I don't even know if that's true. I have no way of knowing.. I asked Roku and BetTilt for proof and they say they can't say anything until the case is closed. Abudantia BV doesn't even pay its customers and seems to be being helped by Antillephone... I'm starting to lose hope and I feel like this entity only serves to harm people 🙁

Olá Petronela, apesar da empresa Roku e BetTilt dizerem que estão a aguardar a decisão da autoridade de licenciamento eu nunca obtive uma resposta deles. Já enviei imensos emails e eles nunca respondem ás queixas! A única empresa que respondeu foi a equipa de compliance da Roku, a eMoore N.V. A Antillephone N.V. como autoridade pouco ou nada faz, deixa as pessoas sem saber o que estão a fazer. A equipa da Roku apenas diz que o caso está entregue á entidade reguladora e ao departamento jurídico.. mas nem sei se isso é verdade. Não tenho forma de saber.. pedi provas á Roku e BetTilt e dizem não puder dizer nada até ao caso estar encerrado. A Abudantia BV não paga aos seus clientes sequer e parece estar a ser ajudada pela Antillephone.. começo a perder a esperança e sinto que esta entidade serve apenas para lesar as pessoas 🙁

Hi joaomarsh20,

To summarize the whole case once again, I’d like to say that under a Curacao license, your chances of winning the case are slim if you never informed RokuBet Casino about your gambling problem and only self-excluded from a sister casino.

Moreover, if you haven't contacted the Licensing Authority yourself, you can do so at certria@gaminglicences.com. Unfortunately, we are unable to assist you as you do not have any supporting evidence showing that you contacted this specific casino about your gambling problem. While it might seem logical to assume that the same owner of two different online casinos would share the same player database, this is not always the case.

In the meantime, you also have the option to utilize our Self-Exclusion Assistance Tool at https://casino.guru/global-self-exclusion-initiative/assistance-tool. This tool allows you to block your casino accounts across multiple gambling establishments simultaneously and is not affiliated with any specific casino. The Self-Exclusion Assistance Tool was designed to assist individuals facing challenges with their gambling habits by helping them limit their access to gambling and reduce the potential for further harm.

Please let me know if there is any additional information I have overlooked. However, I’m afraid I will have to reject your complaint as unjustified. I wish I could be of more help. Thank you in advance for your reply and understanding.

Petronela, the only person who isn't taking the case seriously is you! And you don't seem to know what you're doing or saying! This company shares the same database, operates under the same registration and license number, has the same employees here in Portugal! Did you even read the complaint or try to understand anything? Did you bother to read the documents and the brand's responses? I find this response from you simply surreal and will share it for other members of the community to see that there are people who don't want to help! I've already gotten refunds from 3 different casinos, so I know what I'm saying and doing... I thought I could count on CasinoGuru's help... but I certainly got an assistant who basically doesn't care about the case, or more like she's done with the casino in question! You don't want to help, that's fine... I'll open a complaint on TrustPilot about CasinoGuru and your response in particular! It's sad how other colleagues of yours are taking the case seriously and are understanding and well-mannered and you are the complete opposite! CasinoGuru should be a place of mutual help... where people rely on you and your expertise... anyway!

by the way, I have here prints of the conversation with the customer support of both Casinos that proves that my gaming account was closed on 19/01/2024 due to gambling problems! And you say you're going to have to close the complaint because there's no proof? Loooool ridiculous! By the way, the case is awaiting a decision from the licensing authority and Abudantia BV's legal department... it's clear that only you yourself didn't consider this a complaint! I will complain! There seems to me to be a clear conflict of interest here

Petronela, a única pessoa que não está a levar o caso a sério é você mesmo! E parece-me não saber o que está a fazer ou a dizer! Esta empresa partilha a mesma base de dados, operam sob o mesmo número de registo e de licença, possui os mesmos funcionários aqui em Portugal! Você leu sequer a reclamação ou tentou entender alguma coisa? Deu-se ao trabalho de ler os documentos e as respostas da marca? Acho esta resposta da sua parte simplesmente surreal e irá ser partilhada para outros membros da comunidade verem que existem pessoas que não querem ajudar! Já consegui devolução de montantes depositados de 3 Casinos diferentes, por isso sei bem o que estou a dizer e a fazer.. pensei era que podia contar com a ajuda do CasinoGuru.. mas certamente calhou-me uma assistente que basicamente não quer saber do caso, ou mais parece estar feita com o Casino em questão! Não quer ajudar tudo bem… vou abrir uma reclamação no TrustPilot sobre o CasinoGuru e a sua reposta em específico! É triste como outros seus colegas estão a levar o caso a sério e são compreensivos e bem educados e você é completamente o oposto! O CasinoGuru deveria ser um sítio de entre ajuda… onde o povo conta com vocês e com o vosso expertise… enfim!

alias, tenho aqui prints da conversa com o apoio ao cliente de ambos os Casinos que prova que a minha conta de jogo foi fechada dia 19/01/2024 por problemas de jogo! E você diz que vai ter que fechar a reclamação por não haver provas? Loooool ridículo! Aliás, o caso está a aguardar decisão da autoridade de licenciamento e do departamento jurídico da Abudantia BV.. está visto que só você mesmo é que não considerou isto uma queixa! Irei reclamar! Pois parece-me haver aqui um claro conflito de interesses

Hi joaomarsh20,

I'm sorry you feel that I don't want to help, but as I explained in my previous replies, the fact that both casinos have the same owner doesn't mean they share the same player database. I checked the Responsible Gambling section of Bettilt Casino, and this is what I found (here):

Self-Exclusion

If you wish to be self-excluded from our Website, you should request it by contacting Antillephone N.V. or our Customer Support. Self-exclusion will prevent you from using your Player Account for indefinite period. We will close your account and refund all the remaining balance on your account. We will not distribute to you any material on the available promotion on our Website. You will not be able to reopen your Player Account. You acknowledge that by implementing self-exclusion, you are not only excluding yourself from the Website, but also from all the websites operated under the Antillephone N.V. license 8048/JAZ2014-034 issued to Abudantia B.V.

If a customer wants to be excluded from all websites operated by all companies licensed by Antillephone N.V., she or he may do so by submitting relevant request directly to Antillephone N.V. Once the Self-Exclusion request is received by us from Antillephone N.V., we will close such customer’s account and follow the same procedure as above.

If self-excluded customer is found to have made an unauthorised deposit, we will notify Antillephone N.V. of such incident within 24 hours. We will hold such customer’s deposit and we will not release it for 6 months. All winning resulting from such unauthorised deposit will be forfeited to charity chosen by Antillephone N.V.

We will execute each Order of Prohibition received from Antillephone N.V. by following standard procedures regarding self-exclusion of customers.

It clearly states that to self-exclude from all websites operated by Abudantia B.V., you need to contact the Licensing Authority. Simply self-excluding from one casino won't automatically block your other accounts or prevent you from opening new ones. I see that you contacted certria@gaminglicences.com on July 4th, but I don't see the message you sent.

Could you please forward that message? If you contacted the Licensing Authority earlier and requested the closure of all accounts under Abudantia B.V., please forward that message to petronela.k@casino.guru.

You mentioned in your previous reply, "I have prints of the conversation with the customer support of both Casinos proving that my gaming account was closed on 19/01/2024." I didn't receive these screenshots. If you sent them, I apologize if I overlooked them. Could you please forward them again?

Thank you.

Petronela what you say here is basically what happen! I underline the parts that matter, and it clearly states there that it I want to be excluded I should contact Antillephone OR the costumer support, wich I did! And it also says that I acknowledge that the implement of self exclusion is not only on the website but by all Abundantia operated Casinos! That is the case! I applied for a gambling addiction self exclusion on BetTilt in 19/01/2024

And Roku also an Abudantia casino let me deposit 4500€! It even says "If self-excluded customer is found to have made an unauthorised deposit, we will notify Antillephone N.V. of such incident within 24 hours. We will hold such customer’s deposit and we will not release it for 6 months."

Self-Exclusion

"If you wish to be self-excluded from our Website, you should request it by contacting Antillephone N.V. or our Customer Support. Self-exclusion will prevent you from using your Player Account for indefinite period. We will close your account and refund all the remaining balance on your account. We will not distribute to you any material on the available promotion on our Website. You will not be able to reopen your Player Account. You acknowledge that by implementing self-exclusion, you are not only excluding yourself from the Website, but also from all the websites operated under the Antillephone N.V. license 8048/JAZ2014-034 issued to Abudantia B.V.

If a customer wants to be excluded from all websites operated by all companies licensed by Antillephone N.V., she or he may do so by submitting relevant request directly to Antillephone N.V. Once the Self-Exclusion request is received by us from Antillephone N.V., we will close such customer’s account and follow the same procedure as above.

If self-excluded customer is found to have made an unauthorised deposit, we will notify Antillephone N.V. of such incident within 24 hours. We will hold such customer’s deposit and we will not release it for 6 months. All winning resulting from such unauthorised deposit will be forfeited to charity chosen by Antillephone N.V.

We will execute each Order of Prohibition received from Antillephone N.V. by following standard procedures regarding self-exclusion of customers."

I am sending my requeste for self exclusion for gambling addiction by email. I have prints of the conversation because a colleague of you already asked me

Petronela I wount let me sent the email.. it says is to big. Its only 7,5mb

here is the conversation with BetTilt Costumer Support! Closed my account for gambling addiction on 19/01/2024

Hi joaomarsh20,

"If you wish to be self-excluded from our website, you should request it by contacting Antillephone N.V. or our Customer Support."

This is what you did: you contacted Bettilt Casino support to self-exclude from that specific casino.

"If a customer wants to be excluded from all websites operated by companies licensed by Antillephone N.V., they must submit a request directly to Antillephone N.V."

I still haven't received any evidence that you contacted the Licensing Authority to request self-exclusion across the entire platform before July 4th.

Petronela, I don't know if I'm reading it wrong, or if you're doing it on purpose, but what it says before that is this:

"You will not be able to reopen your player account. You acknowledge that by implementing self-exclusion, you are not only excluding yourself from the Site, but also from all sites operated under the Antillephone NV 8048/JAZ2014-034 license issued to Abudantia BV."

It clearly says that the exclusion is from all Abudantia BV sites! Only if I want to be excluded from all Antillephone NV Casinos do I have to contact the Licensing Authority.

I don't understand why CasinoGuru is clearly trying to benefit the Casino in this case, but clearly it is even written in the paragraph that was sent by you, that by self-excluding me in customer support I am excluded from all sites operated by Abudantia BV, then it says that to be excluded from all Antillephone Casinos, I have to contact them. I don't see what I'm saying wrong here, I closed my BetTilt account on 19/01/2024 which I've already sent you the screenshots of... it seems to me that they are clearly trying to benefit the casino! Will I have to open a complaint about this too? I don't mind writing to TrustPilot and opening a complaint right here against you! I think you're being unprofessional and trying to benefit the casino. I have all the evidence, I was lured by employees even after being self-excluded from these casinos... the casino is illegal in Portugal, I sent all the evidence... I don't know what else you want!

Petronela, não sei se sou eu que estou a ler mal, ou se estão a fazer de propósito, mas o que diz antes disso é o seguinte:

"Você não poderá reabrir sua conta de jogador. Você reconhece que, ao implementar a autoexclusão, você não está apenas se excluindo do Site, mas também de todos os sites operados sob a licença Antillephone NV 8048/JAZ2014-034 emitida para Abudantia BV."

Diz claramente que a exclusão é de todos os sites da Abudantia BV! Só se quiser ser excluído de todos os Casinos Antillephone NV é que tenho que contactar a Autoridade de Licenciamento.

Não entendo porque o CasinoGuru está claramente a tentar beneficiar o Casino neste caso, mas claramente até está escrito no parágrafo que foi mandado por vocês, que ao auto excluir-me no suporte ao cliente estou excluído de todos os sites operados pela Abudantia BV, seguidamente diz que para ser excluído de todos os Casinos da Antillephone, tenho que os contactar. Não estou a ver o que estou a dizer errado aqui, fechei a minha conta na BetTilt dia 19/01/2024 no qual já lhe enviei as imagens.. parece-me que estão claramente a tentar beneficiar o casino! Irei ter que abrir uma reclamação sobre este caso também? Não me importo de escrever no TrustPilot e abrir uma reclamação aqui mesmo contra vocês! Acho que não estão a ser profissionais e estão a tentar beneficiar o casino. Tenho todas as provas, fui aliciado por funcionários mesmo após estar auto-excluído destes Casinos… o casino está em situação ilegal em Portugal, mandei todas as provas… não sei mais o que querem!

"If you wish to be self-excluded from our site, you must request this by contacting Antillephone NV or our Customer Support. Self-exclusion will prevent you from using your Player Account for an indefinite period. We will close your account and refund any remaining balance in your account. We will not distribute to you any material about the promotion available on our Site. You will not be able to reopen your Player Account. You acknowledge that by implementing self-exclusion, you are not only excluding yourself from the Site, but also from all sites operated under the Antillephone NV 8048/JAZ2014-034 license issued to Abudantia BV."

"Se desejar ser autoexcluído do nosso site, deverá solicitá-lo contactando a Antillephone NV ou o nosso Apoio ao Cliente. A autoexclusão impedirá que você use sua Conta de Jogador por um período indefinido. Fecharemos sua conta e reembolsaremos todo o saldo restante em sua conta. Não distribuiremos a você nenhum material sobre a promoção disponível em nosso Site. Você não poderá reabrir sua conta de jogador. Você reconhece que, ao implementar a autoexclusão, você não está apenas se excluindo do Site, mas também de todos os sites operados sob a licença Antillephone NV 8048/JAZ2014-034 emitida para Abudantia BV."

Hi joaomarsh20,

I apologize for the confusion. I had to read your message several times to fully understand your point. I'm accustomed to these cases being straightforward. When a player hasn't requested self-exclusion from a specific casino and then requests a refund from another sister casino under a Curacao License, resolving the case can be nearly impossible. However, after carefully reviewing Bettilt's terms, I must admit you are correct. I apologize for my oversight.

According to Bettilt Casino's terms, you need to contact their Customer Support to apply for self-exclusion, and this self-exclusion will be applied to all websites operated under the Antillephone N.V. license 8048/JAZ2014-034 issued to Abudantia B.V.

• One last thing: you self-excluded from Bettilt Casino on January 19, 2024. When did you create your RokuBet Casino account?

Thank you.

I knew I was right because I've seen this casino not paying out big winnings to players, claiming this... self-exclusion already done on BetTilt, sometimes even claiming a duplicate account. I opened a Roku account at the end of May, I think. I can't tell you more because the Roku and BetTilt employees now barely know that I'm talking to support, they don't answer anything, they say only after the process is finished. But I saw here that my first deposits were on June 3rd... and in one night, without any kind of verification or KYC, they let me deposit €4000 in a row

as you can see in the screenshot below.

Eu sabia que tinha razão porque já vi este casino a não pagar grandes prémios a jogadores, a alegar isto mesmo.. auto-exclusão já feita na BetTilt, por vezes até alegam conta duplicada. Abri conta na Roku no fim de maio penso eu. Não lhe consigo precisar melhor porque os funcionários da Roku e da BetTilt agora mal sabem que sou eu a falar no suporte, não me respondem a nada, dizem que só depois do processo estar terminado. Mas vi aqui que os meus primeiros depósitos foram dia 03/06.. e em uma noite, sem qualquer tipo de verificação ou KYC deixaram-me depositar 4000€ seguidos

como vai puder ver no print que lhe envio a seguir.

But eMoore EM Group Complaints Department answered me this.

they are trying to avoid…

And please note Petronela and CasinoGuru Staff, I have nothing against you and I know you're only trying to help, but I'm nervous... I've lost all my money and I'm in a very bad phase of my life. I know you were right because I read the terms and conditions and rules on the BetTilt and Roku websites. On top of that, it seems that everyone is afraid of Antillephone, eMoore and the Abudantia group... because all of them have refused to help me. I feel alone. I know that Antillephone isn't easy to contact, but I've realized that it's easier through the eMoore team... things have to change. If there are rules, they have to be complied with, both by the casino and by the regulator. For example, Casino Leon and Twin as well as the KGC were spectacular with me, and they always responded, listened to me and I was able to prove that I was right. They returned my funds and it was a much larger amount... They even took steps to protect me with comprehensive self-exclusion... they called me the next day to apologize, gave me advice and gave me player helpline numbers. This is how a casino and a license should act! To help and protect the addicted gambler... who can't protect himself because of his impulses. The Abudantia Group and Antillephone NV have been awful so far... they don't care... they barely respond... all that matters is money

E repare por favor Petronela e Staff do CasinoGuru, não tenho nada contra vocês e sei que só estão a tentar ajudar, mas estou nervoso.. fiquei sem todo o meu dinheiro e estou numa fase muito má da minha vida. Sei que tinha razão pois li bem os termos e condições e regras no site da BetTilt e Roku. Ainda por cima parece que todos têm medo da Antillephone, da eMoore e do grupo Abudantia… pois todas as entidades se recusaram a ajudar-me. Sinto-me sozinho. Sei que a Antillephone não é fácil de contactar, mas já percebi que através da equipa da eMoore é mais fácil… as coisas têm que mudar. Se existem regras têm que ser cumpridas, tanto pelo casino como pela entidade reguladora. Por exemplo, o Casino Leon e Twin tal com a KGC foram espetaculares comigo, e respondiam sempre, ouviram-me e consegui provar que tinha razão. Devolveram os meus fundos e era um valor bem maior… Ainda tomaram medidas para me proteger com auto exclusão abrangente… ligaram-me no dia a seguir a pedir desculpa, aconselharam-me e deram-me números de linhas de apoio ao jogador. Isto é como um casino e uma licença deve de agir! Ajudar e proteger o jogador viciado… quem não se consegue proteger por causa dos impulsos. O Grupo Abudantia e a Antillephone NV foram horríveis até agora.. não querem saber.. mal respondem… simplesmente só importa o dinheiro

Thank you very much, joaomarsh20, for providing all the necessary information. I will now transfer your complaint to my colleague Jozef (jozef.k@casino.guru) who will be at your assistance. I wish you the best of luck and hope to see your problem being resolved to your satisfaction in the near future.  

Is there anything else I need to do? Thank you very much for everything Petronela

Preciso de fazer mais alguma coisa por agora? Muito obrigado por tudo Petronela

Dear joaomarsh20,

I absolutely appreciate that you shared your experiences with the Casino Guru team. Could you clarify whether you used the same credentials for both accounts, or if there were any differences?

Jozef the eMoore NV group responded today, and after reviewing my latest evidence they have decided in my favor and are going to settle!

i'm very happy, i knew i was right! I never give up on anything... I was annoying but I did it! First Portuguese to receive a refund from an online casino licensed by Antillephone. That's a victory for me!

Jozef o grupo eMoore NV respondeu hoje, e após reverem as minhas últimas provas decidiram a meu favor e vão fazer um acordo!

estou muito contente, eu sabia que tinha razão! Nunca desistir de nada… fui chato mas consegui! Primeiro português a receber um reembolso de um Casino online licenciado pela Antillephone. Para mim é uma vitória!

Dear joaomarsh20,

I am very glad to see this. I am extending the timer by 7 days. Please, inform me when you receive it.

I'm just waiting for a refund. Is there any way to close the complaint now?

estou á espera do reembolso apenas. Existe alguma forma de dar já a queixa como concluída?

Hello joaomarsh20,

We would like to update you that due to Jozef, your designated resolver, being on vacation, we have opted to extend the timeline by an additional 7 days. Since Jozef has an in-depth understanding of your situation and maintains direct communication with the casino, we find this extension justified. Your patience is sincerely appreciated, and I assure you that Jozef will contact you at the earliest opportunity.

Thank you for your understanding and ongoing patience.

Best regards, Casino Guru

Dear joaomarsh20,

As the complaint has been successfully resolved, we will now close it as ‘resolved’ in our system. Thanks for cooperation, and don’t hesitate to contact us if you run into any issues with this or any other casino in the future. We are here to help.

Best regards, Jozef