I originally played on this site via computer, but later tried from phone and said the site was blocked in my country. (It also gives that status if you click on mobile version on computer). When I asked if it it was legal via live chat they gave an automated message of it being my duty to find out.
Though gambling is legal in general, I question how I'm supposed to figure out if that particular website is.
When I was talking to them through e-mail, they asked if I was using VPN. Naturally I said no, since... it's generally considered against rules and can get your account confiscated in lots of places.
It was then that they stopped responding to me entirely.
For instance, a site like 1xbet claims to have been available in my country (at one point???), but I could never access their site on either mobile or computer. While this site only has that message from their mobile version.
Frankly, I don't know what to say or think. If it was not legal in my country, I'd expect some sort of reimbursement for my losses (not a lot but still a lot to me 150euro or so) since they accepted me, but what do I know. Sketchy as heck they just stopped responding to me though.
Well,
I will reduce the question of legality to a short explanation:
The site is not licensed in Sweeden, so you should not play there. If the casino decides to accept players from Sweeden, they should be treated fairly, so all rightfully accumulated winnings should be paid.
To make sure which sites are officially available to players from Sweeden, kindly check this link - tab called SE licensed
The casino staff should at least informed you, that you can play but it lacks the SE license. No matter the license, however, you must have the same chance of winning and losing as other players, so would you ask for reimbursement, even if you won?
Furthermore, the blockage is probably caused by your internet provider because the site is restricted from Sweeden, another sign that you should not play in such casinos. Sadly, not every unlicensed casinos are automatically blocked.
You kind of missed or misunderstood half my post.
You say that it's my ISP that is blocking it, but why would it be blocked on my phone but NOT my computer when I'm accessing both via WIFI. That and I mentioned that clicking on mobile version on their site on their computer would trigger the same message as in it pertains that it is only their mobile version for whatever reason.
And then them stop replying to me the second I'm asked if I use a VPN? That's just messed up.
And I would think that legality supersedes any chance of equality since people aren't equal if they aren't all legally allowed the same access. Of course proving that would be not something I'd be familiar with anyways.
Hello,
I did not skip it, I just mention my opinion, so furthermore, from my personal experience, the internet block does not work pretty well when you try to access some casinos via mobile - sorry, I failed to mention that.
But I'm not the casino's employee, nor the internet provider, so I', just thinking aloud, you don't have to feel offended by my opinion at all 🙂.
Sadly, I don't fully comprehended this part "And then them stop replying to me the second I'm asked if I use a VPN? That's just messed up."
I feel that the casino failed to provide a proper explanation of whether you can or can't use the VPN, right?
That is of course a bad situation and I agree that it does not show this casino in a good light. Speaking about the good or bad sides, this casino has only a questionable reputation.
It seems that the casino should improve a bit!
Well, I suppose there will always be outliers when it comes to different devices.
And what I meant by stop responding is that, the last thing they wrote was asking me if I used VPN. (as if it were against their rules)
There was literally no reply after that to my replies. There wasn't even an attempt to explain.
"Hello Remy,
Thank you for contacting us,
Are you using vpn (Virtual private network)?, by the time you want to access internet?
Thank you.
Br,
Helabet Team."
Was the last message. Couldn't even be bothered to blame me. Sadly.
And I can't recall if or where I had checked to see if they were a site worth going to.
Was my mistake for not digging enough, though I know you should never believe a lot of things you see regardless because everything is biased towards free stuff.
I think that for next time it will be generally better to ask more questions on live chat before starting the game and clarify the discrepancies so that you are sure under what conditions you are playing. I understand, that when it seems first, that you are allowed to play on computer, so you probably don't even doubt that it could be banned in your country if it lets you play. As you say, the proper research is always necessary before.
Considering the copy & paste automated messages I got while attempting to talk to them via live chat, it is unlikely that I would have gotten a satisfactory answer. When they literally tell me that it is my responsibility to figure it out, when I specifically asked if I was allowed to access their site. You'd think they'd know better than me where they are allowed to sell their services.
Again, I understand that it is hindsight and not something one should have to think of.
Well, regardless. I admit it as my fault for having gone to a questionable site as theirs.
I can only hope that I listen to myself in the future and only access sites that are bound by bankid or at least higher standards. The less worries about having to be verified (or the stress thereof - since some clearly don't want to despite happily taking your money) and safe gaming the better.
Hi, I agree that their chat responses were not the most appropriate and I'm sorry that you had such an unpleasant experience, but as Radka said above "if the casino decides to accept players from Sweden, they should be treated fairly". I also hope that in the future you will choose safe and reliable casinos as you write here. Just check this page, you can filter casinos here via your preferences. Maybe you find new casino which fits you and you come back to us with more cheerful post. 😉. Good luck
Γεια σας, δημιούργησα αυτό το νήμα για να με βοηθήσετε να αποσύρω τα χρήματά μου, είμαι ένας παίκτης από την Αργεντινή που θέλει να κάνει ανάληψη των κεφαλαίων του και το καζίνο HELABET δεν με αφήνει, συνολικά από τότε που δημιούργησα τον λογαριασμό μου κατέθεσα περίπου 45/50 USD (μεταξύ κέρδη και ζημιές, σήμερα ο λογαριασμός είναι στα 79 USD (πολλά λεφτά εδώ στην Αργεντινή) και πρέπει να κάνω ανάληψη των χρημάτων επειγόντως, κατέθεσα με τη μέθοδο CRYPTOGRAPHIC (TRC20)
Θέλω να κάνω ανάληψη με τον ίδιο τρόπο, στο ίδιο πορτοφόλι με το οποίο έκανα την κατάθεση, και το καζίνο μου λέει "ΧΩΡΙΣ ΑΠΟΡΡΙΨΗ ΑΠΟ ΤΟΝ ΧΕΙΡΟΤΗΤΑ"
ΣΤΕΙΛΩ ΤΟ ΠΑΡΑΠΟΝΟ ΜΟΥ ΣΕ ΕΙΚΟΝΙΚΟ ΚΑΖΙΝΟ
ΠΟΥ ΜΟΥ ΛΕΕΙ «ΣΤΕΙΛΩ ΕΝΑ EMAIL ΜΕ ΤΟ ΠΡΟΒΛΗΜΑ ΣΟΥ ΚΑΙ ΕΝΑ ΣΤΙΓΜΙΟ ΟΘΟΝΗΣ ΣΤΟ EMAIL ΥΠΟΣΤΗΡΙΞΗΣ HELABET
Έκανα το ίδιο και έστειλα ήδη περισσότερα από 6 email με το αντίστοιχο στιγμιότυπο οθόνης, δεν είχα καμία απάντηση και χρειάζομαι πραγματικά τα χρήματά μου, είναι πολύ λίγα τα χρήματα για την "Ευρώπη", αλλά για μένα, καθώς είμαι Αργεντινή, είναι πάρα πολύ...
Έχω διαβάσει μια περίπτωση Πολωνού παίκτη που είχε ακριβώς το ίδιο που μου συνέβη και χρειάστηκε 1μιση μήνα για να μπορέσει να αποσυρθεί. Παρακαλώ, αν μπορεί κάποιος να με βοηθήσει, θα το εκτιμούσα.
Hi, did the casino give you any reason why you can't withdraw your money and why is the withdrawal still rejected ? I think you thought well when you wanted to withdraw as well as you deposited. Do you have a verified casino account ?
However, I saw that you managed to open a complaint with us and I think that is a good step. Our team will take a look at the situation and try to help you. If you have any new information don't hesitate to update us.
Γεια, όχι, δεν μου δίνουν κανένα είδος απάντησης, κανείς δεν απαντά στα email μου και δεν μου έστειλε κανένα email λέγοντας "χρειαζόμαστε ένα συγκεκριμένο ποσό τεκμηρίωσης για να μπορέσουμε να το επαληθεύσουμε" δεν ξέρω τι να στείλω για να μπορώ να το κάνω, σε άλλες σελίδες, αν θέλω να κάνω ανάληψη, μου ζητούσαν πάντα να κάνω επαλήθευση, το έκανα και αυτό ήταν, αποσύρθηκα, αλλά εδώ δεν απαντούν καν στα email μου, οπότε Είμαι τελείως χαμένος και χωρίς να ξέρω τι χρειάζονται από εμένα για να μπορέσουν να επαληθεύσουν, δεν με αφήνουν να καταθέσω απευθείας, δεν με αφήνουν να στοιχηματίσω, κανένας αγώνας, και η ανάληψη μου βγάζει σφάλμα... Αλλά Μπορώ να συνεχίσω να εισάγω κανονικά τον λογαριασμό μου και τα χρήματα είναι ακόμα εκεί
Well, this is a really frustrating situation, since on one side the verification is probably a necessary first step, allowing you to withdraw your winnings once it's successfully completed. On the other hand, this process should be initiated by the casino or at least you should be told what you are supposed to provide.
I did consult the casino's rules and found this
27. KYC Policy - verifying your credential
In order to prevent possible online fraud, we reserve the right at any time to verify the authenticity of your credentials, such as your name, address, age and payment methods that you use, requiring you to submit all the necessary documents for this verification.
These documents usually include proof of your identity, your residential address (such as a utility bill), and the method of payment you are using.
IDENTITY DOCUMENTS:
Photo ID. A copy of this document is required to process your first withdrawal request. This could be a copy of your passport, driver's license, or other proof of your identity. To verify your identity, we require a photo of your identity document.
Credit / Debit Cards: Copies of the front and back of the credit / debit card that you used to deposit into your gaming account. Before submitting a copy of your credit / debit card, please make sure it is easy to read so that we can verify your identity as soon as possible. For security reasons, cover the middle eight digits on the copy of the front of your card and the 3 digits of the security code on the copy of the back.
Proof of Address: For this purpose, you can send us your utility bill or credit card statement. This document should be recently received by you, and it should clearly show your full name and address, which you provided when registering your game account. If you are going to provide a credit card statement, you should cover the middle 8 digits of your card for security.
Notarized Documents: Your documents must be certified by the signature and stamp of an authorized notary / legal counsel to prove the legality of the documents you provide.
Attention! In some cases, depending on the method of payment that you used to make a deposit, you may be asked to provide one or more of the above documents or other additional documents not included in this list.
The player undertakes to provide information within 48 hours of receiving the request. These documents can be downloaded in your personal account. We reserve the right not to report successful verification results.
If the player refuses or ignores our request for the provision of these documents, the Company may, at its discretion, close his account and withhold all the money that will be in his game account.
If the documents you send us do not pass our internal security checks, for example if we suspect that you have sent us fraudulent documents, or that your documents contain falsified information or have been provided to us for the purpose of misleading, we will not must treat these documents as legitimate and inform you about this decision.
The verification process can take up to 48 hours. As part of the verification process, we retain the discretion to limit the withdrawal of funds from the Customer’s account. The Company is not responsible for any delays in processing payments that may occur within a processing of KYC documents by our managers.
I suggest you try the chat operator or just wait a bit for support to respond. With luck, the operator will engage in conversation with you:
Could you please try the chat out and then let me know?
Γεια σου radka, μόλις προσπάθησα να συνδεθώ στον λογαριασμό μου και μου λέει συνέχεια "σφάλμα κωδικού" όταν θέλω να εισάγω τον κωδικό του Google authenticator, αφού έχω τέτοια ασφάλεια, χθες συνδέθηκα χωρίς πρόβλημα εισάγοντας τον κωδικό μου και έκπληξη, σήμερα δεν με αφήνει να συνδεθώ, προσπαθώ περισσότερο από μια ώρα, και δεν υπάρχει περίπτωση, κυριολεκτικά κράτησαν τα λεφτά μου, σκουπίδια καζίνο
Phew, that's not nice if I'm honest. You still can't log into your account, can you? As for the chat, I suppose if you couldn't log in you didn't even try it, or am I wrong ? As I read that no email was sent to you by the casino and they did not reply, I am not sure if it would be the case now if you had asked why this situation occurred.
However, I am glad that you have an open complaint as our team will try to help you. I hope it can all be resolved eventually. If there is any new information, please let me know.
Δωρεάν επαγγελματικά εκπαιδευτικά μαθήματα για υπαλλήλους online καζίνο, με στόχο τις καλύτερες πρακτικές του κλάδου, τη βελτίωση της εμπειρίας των παικτών, και τη δίκαιη προσέγγιση στα τυχερά παιχνίδια.
Μια πρωτοβουλία που ξεκινήσαμε με στόχο τη δημιουργία ενός συστήματος καθολικού αυτο-αποκλεισμού, που θα επιτρέπει στους ευάλωτους παίκτες να μπλοκάρουν την πρόσβασή τους σε όλες τις ευκαιρίες online τυχερών παιχνιδιών.
Μια πλατφόρμα που έχει δημιουργηθεί για να επιδείξει όλες μας τις προσπάθειες που στοχεύουν στην πραγματοποίηση του οράματος ενός πιο ασφαλούς και πιο διαφανούς κλάδου τυχερών παιχνιδιών.
Ένα φιλόδοξο έργο στόχος του οποίου είναι να τιμήσει τις μεγαλύτερες και πιο υπεύθυνες εταιρείες στον κλάδο των online τυχερών παιχνιδιών και να τους αποδώσει την αναγνώριση που αξίζουν.
