My concern about Pragmatic Play (σελίδα 11)

Στην πραγματικότητα δεν ήθελα να γράψω τίποτα περισσότερο γι 'αυτό, αλλά εδώ είναι μια άλλη ανάρτηση για την εμπειρία που είχα δυστυχώς τις τελευταίες τρεις ημέρες. Για χρόνια έπαιζα κυρίως μόνο τα δύο παιχνίδια: Big Bass Bonanza και Χριστούγεννα. Μόνο χθες πήρα δωρεάν περιστροφές και στα δύο τουλάχιστον 20 φορές με 2 ευρώ και 3 ευρώ. Κάθε φορά, αλλά κάθε φορά ο πρώτος ψαράς ερχόταν μετά την 7η περιστροφή. Δεν είχε σημασία αν είχα 15 ή 10 δωρεάν περιστροφές. Κάθε φορά μετά την 7η περιστροφή. Κάθε φορά κέρδιζα λιγότερα από 100 ευρώ. Το Big Bass Halloween περίπου 10 φορές με 1,50 και 1,80, όχι μια φορά πάνω από 100 ευρώ. Στο Tropicana 5 φορές με 2,40, 5 φορές με 1,20 και 5 φορές με 0,96 ευρώ, όχι μία φορά πάνω από 50 ευρώ. Μόνο μία φορά, από όλες τις δωρεάν περιστροφές παραπάνω και άλλες τουλάχιστον 20-25 σε πονταρίσματα 1 ευρώ, 1,20 κ.λπ., μπήκα στον τρίτο γύρο και κέρδισα 87 ευρώ. Υποτίθεται ότι είναι τυχαίο; Δωρεάν περιστροφές αξίας άνω των 10.000 ευρώ με πάνω από 80% στην τσέπη και το ίδιο φτηνό κέρδος και ακριβώς την ίδια διαδικασία; Όχι, δεν έχει να κάνει με την τυχαιότητα. Είναι απλώς ένας πολύ έξυπνος πάροχος παιχνιδιών που ρυθμίζει τα πάντα για τον καθένα μας ανάλογα με τον τύπο του παιχνιδιού. Σε 2 χρόνια είχα χιλιάδες δωρεάν περιστροφές και ούτε μία φορά, ούτε αυτό το μεγάλο ψάρι, δεν κέρδισε 2000x. Κάθε φορά έχω κερδίσει 10 φορές, 12 φορές ή χειρότερα. Σε 50 δωρεάν περιστροφές ίσως μια φορά να έχω κερδίσει 200 περισσότερα από την τυπική νίκη. Και γράφουν κάποιοι άλλοι εδώ ότι έχει να κάνει με την τύχη; Πώς είναι δυνατόν μετά από 1 ή 2 περιστροφές να ξέρω ακριβώς πώς θα πάνε τα υπόλοιπα; Επειδή έχει να κάνει με τύχη ή με τύχη; Όχι βέβαια, γιατί όλοι έχουν μια νοοτροπία που ξέρουν ότι μετά από μερικές μικρές νίκες θα συνεχίσουμε να παίζουμε και ίσως να πληρώσουμε περισσότερα. Αν λοιπόν κάποιος γράψει εδώ ότι είναι τυχερό παιχνίδι κτλ τότε σίγουρα δεν είναι απόλυτα ειλικρινής. Ευχαριστώ

Άλλη μια προσθήκη: χθες, για περίπου 400 ευρώ σε καταθέσεις, πήρα πολλές φορές δωρεάν περιστροφές στο Big Bass Bonanza και τα Χριστούγεννα, μια φορά ήταν 150 ευρώ, αλλιώς όλα κάτω από 50. Όλα τα λεφτά έχουν φύγει, φυσικά. Από χθες το απόγευμα μέχρι πρόσφατα, κατέθεσα 600 ευρώ, 2 x δωρεάν περιστροφές του 1 ευρώ. Φυσικά και τις δύο φορές ήμουν ο πρώτος ψαράς μετά το 7ο γύρισμα, κερδίζοντας 28 ευρώ. Ποιος άλλος θέλει να πει ότι το casino cashwin.com και οι πραγματιστές δεν είναι απατεώνες; Παιχνίδια αξίας άνω των 30.000 ευρώ σε 7 μέρες και το ίδιο κάθε φορά.

I guess they started reading our posts on casino guru. The series of wins over the last two weeks was something incredible and indescribable. From deposits totaling approximately EUR 400, the total winnings amount to over EUR 10,000. I lost everything to zero, because when you want to keep playing and build balance, the casino will definitely tell you no and take away all your funds. It has always been so and will be so forever. I don't want to favor any casino, but at Betunlim I had the most epic wins of my life. Try to play from Saturday to Sunday. Then a lot of people play and the chances for epic hits are the highest, in my opinion.

I don't understand one thing. If you have this opinion and you are not doing well and you think that pragmatic is a bad provider and you don't get free spins or it's only once in a while, or even if you do get it, it always pays so little, why do you keep playing on these slots ? I have a feeling that you are going against yourself and it makes absolutely no sense to lose money on something that has somehow been verified by your own judgement. 

I guess it's the first time I see that you have such screenshots and I'm sure glad if you managed to win. The other side of the coin is that you probably lost it all back, which is pretty sad, because you don't have to win that kind of money in a casino. 

But I'm pleased that it's not just about how bad everything is.

HELLO, I AM WRITTEN TO YOU FROM TURKEY. FIRST, I APOLOGIZE FOR MY ENGLISH. I ALSO THINK THE PRAGMATIC GAMES ARE SERIOUSLY FOOLED ME NOW. I BOUGHT 11 FREE HAND SPINS AND LOST 11 HANDS IN A ROW. I THINK THE GAMES WERE INTERFERED AND MANIPULATED. THE SITES I PLAY ON ARE BETNANO AND BETSAT IN TURKEY. THERE ARE INTERVENTIONS IN BOTH SITES. IF YOU LOOK AT THE GAME HISTORY ADDRESSES, THE ADDRESS OF ONE IS BETSUDIOS, BASED IN MALTA, AND THE ADDRESS OF ONE IS HIS OWN SERVERS. AS MUCH AS I UNDERSTAND, THESE SERVERS ARE CHEATING WITH 3RD PARTY SOFTWARE. I AM ADDING THE SCREENSHOTS.THIS CANNOT BE CALLED LUCK. I BUY 19 GAMES ON THE BETSAT SITE, 3 GAMES A SMALL WIN, 16 GAMES A FULL LOSS. I BUY 11 GAMES ON THE BETNANO SITE, ALL 11 GAMES ARE LOST. SOMEONE PROVE TO ME THAT THIS IS NORMAL. THIS IS NOT NORMAL IT IS A SCAM

PLEASE DONT GAMBLE ANYONE. GAMBLING IS FINANCIAL RUIN. I HATE GAMBLING SO MUCH. STAKE CASINO AND PRAGMATIC PLAY ARE BIG FRAUDS. YESTERDAY I LOST 82$ IN PRAGMATIC PLAY WITH NO BONUS.

Όπως λες, είναι τζόγος, άρα χρειάζεσαι τύχη. Δεν πρέπει να στοιχηματίζετε τα σημαντικά χρήματά σας, μόνο όσα σας απομένουν όταν ακολουθείτε αυτό το χόμπι.

Τα περισσότερα Pragmatic παιχνίδια είναι αρκετά ασταθή, καθιστώντας δυσκολότερη τη νίκη εκεί.

Volatile = honest way of scamming

Hobby leads to addiction

Addiction leads to financial ruin

Both of your posts sound like you have quite a deep opinion on how it works. Do you care to be more specific by chance?

I also know quite a good saying, though:

"Generalization undermines objectivity, and the absence of objectivity undermines the idea."

I bet we can delve into details, though I'll leave that to you. 🙏

Strong-minded people are, from my experience, perfectly suitable to have hobbies without this side effect.

I prefer not to tend to simplify everything into a fancy verse. Perhaps you have some live experience worth sharing. Do you, by any means, need some support?

Hmm, the player below you described it well, high volatility means that it is quite possible that you will have a lot of dead spins but if the game hits a big win, it is usually worth it. 

However, it is gambling and with it comes the risk of losing money. You definitely don't need to play with money you can't afford and you should only spend what you don't feel sorry for.

So even if you had a streak like that, it doesn't necessarily mean that the games are rigged. I've seen a lot of bonuses that were bought for like $1000 and got back $50. It's not unusual, so if you can't afford it, definitely don't spend money on playing slots. 

HELLO JARO, IT IS AN ABNORMAL SITUATION FOR ALL 11 PURCHASED GAMES TO MAKE A LOSS. I THINK IT IS AGAINST THE RTP OF THE GAME. I HAVE NEVER SEEN 11 HANDS IN A SEASON WINNER. IF THE GAME IS PAST, 11 PURCHASES AND 11 GAMES ARE LOST IN A ROW. I DON'T THINK THIS MAKE LOGICAL. I WILL REPORT THIS SITUATION TO THE LICENSING COMPANY AND IGAMING. THIS CAN NEVER BE THE GAME'S WRITTEN RTP AND RETURN TO PLAYER RATE

DID YOU SEE THE ONE WHO WON 11 GAMES IN A Row, BROTHER? NO BUT I LOSED 11 GAMES IN A ROW. IF YOU PLAY THIS GAME, HAVE YOU EVER LOST 11 GAMES IN A ROW, EVEN IF YOU MAKE A PROFIT ONCE AGAIN? THERE IS NO VARIATION LIKE THIS, IT IS NOT EARNING HARD, IT IS BEING DECEIVED.

If you are going to report it then feel free to let me know what result you got and what they told you. 

As for whether I saw someone who won in 11 bonuses, I can't say exactly, but I know that I saw a player who had a profit from 15 bonuses to 10 a couple of times, which is quite a lot. But a week later he had 10 bonuses and he was minus on all of them, so like I said it's gambling. Sometimes you get it right and sometimes it's like you had it. 

It's certainly not pleasant but if you're going to play you have to be prepared for that scenario. 🤷‍♂️😕

HELLO, I COMPLAINED WITH ONE OF THESE SITES TO THE TER WHO LICENSED THE SITE. THEY SENT AN EMAIL THAT PRAGMATIC PLAY DETERMINES THE RTP RATES OF THE BETTING SITE WITH THEIR GAME HISTORIES AND SHARED MY GAME DATA. IT IS ACTUALLY PROOF OF HOW THEY INTERVENE IN THESE GAMES. THEY HAVE A PANEL AND THERE ARE YOUR EARNING STATISTICS, BUT I NEVER CRIED ABOUT SUCH WINNINGS IN THE GATE OF 1000 GAME THAT HE SHARED. I SENT AN E-MAIL TO THE LICENSING COMPANY THAT THIS IS EVIDENCE AND I AM SENDING THEIR RESPONSE TO YOU.

 Dear Executive,

You have not provided Curaçao eGaming ("CEG") and/or the Player with an update regarding this complaint within seven days of the previous notice. This means that the operator is now in material breach of the IP-agreement with CEG. The operator is now granted three more working days before CEG shall make a preliminary ruling in this matter. This could mean that CEG may decide in favour of the Player.

Thanks for forwarding me the answer. When did it happen ? At the time you posted here ? I see that the casino probably has a few more days to reply to you and I'm curious how this will all end. Definitely let me know if anything changes, I'm quite interested.

I'll keep my fingers crossed for you. 🤞

Σήμερα έπαιξα ξανά Big Bass Bonanza και Χριστούγεννα στο Cashwin.com. 11 φορές για 1 ευρώ δωρεάν περιστροφές με κέρδος 146 ευρώ, διαφορετικά όλες οι άλλες κάτω από 40 ευρώ.

5 φορές με 2 ευρώ με μέγιστο κέρδος 76 ευρώ.

1 φορά στο 1,20 4 scatters με 2 γύρους 27 ευρώ.

Όλες οι άλλες δωρεάν περιστροφές στα 80 και 90 σεντ λειτούργησαν ακριβώς με τον ίδιο τρόπο.

Και στην πραγματικότητα υπάρχουν ακόμα άνθρωποι που λένε ότι είναι ένα τυχερό παιχνίδι και ότι το Pragmatic Play έχει μια νομική τυχαία αρχή.

Δεν έχουν τίποτα!

Διαφορετικά, μπορείς να εξηγήσεις κάτι τέτοιο. Μία, δύο φορές, αλλά δεν το καταλαβαίνω 1000 φορές.