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És um cassino novo, porém já começa com algumas coisas sem valor para os joadores. Cassinos que trabalham de forma justa, especificam como seu bônus funciona, sem ocultar ou dificultar informações, para que sejam claras e de fácil entendimento. Este JoiaBet não faz isso, com termos obscuros que faz com que o jogador se sinta enganado ao jogar.

A avaliação do Casino Guru é importante, pois ficará claro a outros jogadores sobre os termos do casino, que ao meu ver são injustos, enganosos e com finalidade egoísta.

Γεια, το καζίνο είναι ήδη στη λίστα μας, οπότε είμαι βέβαιος ότι θα προσθέσουμε την κριτική τις επόμενες εβδομάδες. Αναρωτιέμαι, υπάρχει κάποιο συγκεκριμένο μέρος των όρων και προϋποθέσεων που σας ακούγεται ύποπτο; Θα μπορούσες να γίνεις πιο συγκεκριμένος; Ίσως θα μπορούσα να ζητήσω από τους συναδέλφους μου να επικεντρωθούν σε αυτό στην κριτική...

Yes Daniel, they need to specify how the bonus works, since it can only be wagered with real money.

Other casinos have this in their terms very clearly, which Joiabet doesn't do... It was only after reading and re-reading that I realized this.

In this case, they take advantage of this lack of information, and this is not being done well.

Sim Daniel, eles precisam especificar como funciona o bônus, uma vez que ele só pode ser apostado com dinheiro real.

Os outros cassinos tem isso nos termos bem claro, o que o Joiabet não faz... Só depois de ler e reler foi que constatei isso.

Nesse caso, eles tiram vantagem dessa falta de informação, e isso não está sendo bem feito.

Ευχαριστώ για τις πληροφορίες και θα ζητήσω από την ομάδα μας να το εξετάσει.

Τέλος πάντων, όταν λέτε ότι: "εκμεταλλεύονται αυτή την έλλειψη ενημέρωσης" είχατε δυσάρεστες εμπειρίες με τη χρήση του μπόνους;

Yes, I managed to accumulate R$3,000 with the bonus, and I realized that all earnings made with real money go to the bonus money. Real money wins must be paid out in real money, not bonuses. Over time, all your wins are worthless, because only real money counts to bet and meet the requirements. The bonus money becomes like a bait, a decoy.

Sim, consegui acumular R$ 3.000 com o bônus, e percebi que todo ganho obtido com o dinheiro real vai para o dinheiro de bônus. As vitórias em dinheiro real devem ser pagas em dinheiro real, e não em bônus. Com o tempo todas as suas vitórias não valem nada, pois para apostar e cumprir os requisitos, só dinheiro real conta. O dinheiro de bônus fica como uma isca, um engodo.

Φυσικά, καταλαβαίνω τι λες. Υποθέτω ότι μετά από μια τέτοια εμπειρία πιθανότατα δεν θα παίξετε πια σε αυτό το καζίνο με μπόνους σωστά;

Ωστόσο, είναι καλό που τουλάχιστον επισημάνατε πώς λειτουργούν τα μπόνους σε αυτό το καζίνο και άλλοι παίκτες θα έχουν την ευκαιρία να το δουν. Αν συναντήσετε κάτι άλλο ύποπτο, μη διστάσετε να μας ενημερώσετε.

Ωστόσο, αυτό το καζίνο εξακολουθεί να είναι ενδιαφέρον για εσάς αν δεν εξετάσουμε τα μπόνους; 🙂

It's not interesting...

Não é interessante...

Το πιασα. Ρώτησα γιατί μίλησες μόνο για το μπόνους, οπότε θα έπρεπε να έχουν πιο ξεκάθαρους Όρους και Προϋποθέσεις για αυτούς. Δεν ανέφερες άλλα πράγματα, γι' αυτό ήμουν περίεργος αν θα ήθελες ακόμα να παίξεις σε αυτό το καζίνο.

Ωστόσο, όπως βλέπω, φαίνεται να αποθαρρύνεσαι να παίξεις εντελώς εδώ, κάτι που φυσικά δεν το δέχομαι άσχημα, γιατί είναι προσωπική προτίμηση του καθενός.

Αν μπορώ να ρωτήσω, σας αρέσουν άλλα καζίνο;

Yes, I play at other casinos like Sol, Brazzino777, Gamble City, SunPlay, Izzi... Anyway, I play a lot, and I see when casinos have fair and clear terms... I've been having fun at online casinos for about two years, and I think I had some experience in the operating modes, but I know there is a lot to understand, especially when it comes to the rules of each casino.

As I said, some are interesting and fair, but casinos that hide their terms, or offer bonuses that I can't take advantage of, are discarded from my list...

I also enjoy the no deposit bonuses you offer, so I know which casino is the most interesting to deposit my money at.

Sim, jogo em outros cassinos como Sol, Brazzino777, Gamble City, SunPlay, Izzi... Enfim, jogo bastante, e vejo quando cassinos tem termos justos e claros... Tenho uns dois anos que me divirto em cassinos online, e acho que tive uma certa experiência nos modos operantes, mas sei que há muito a prender, principalmente na questão das regras de cada cassino.

Como eu disse, alguns são interessantes e justos, mas cassinos que ocultam seus termos, ou oferecem bônus da qual eu não possa usufruir, são descartados de minha lista...

Também desfruto dos bônus sem depósitos que vocês oferecem, já para saber qual cassino é mais interessante para depositar meu dinheiro.

Λοιπόν, σίγουρα συμφωνώ μαζί σας σχετικά με την ανάγκη να κατανοήσουμε πολλά για τα διαδικτυακά καζίνο. Κατανοώ ότι οι περισσότεροι παίκτες πιθανώς να μην διαβάζουν πολύ τους Όρους και τις Προϋποθέσεις, αλλά τουλάχιστον κάποιες βασικές πληροφορίες θα ήταν χρήσιμες.

Όσον αφορά τα μπόνους, χαίρομαι που είμαστε χρήσιμοι σε αυτό το θέμα. Ποιο καζίνο είναι το κορυφαίο για εσάς όσον αφορά τα μπόνους;

Επιπλέον, όσον αφορά τα καζίνο που αποκρύπτουν τους όρους τους, έχουμε ξεκάθαρη θέση επ' αυτού: Δεν ανεχόμαστε κανέναν κρυφό ή ληστρικό κανόνα επειδή είναι άδικοι προς τους παίκτες και τους βάζουν σε μειονεκτική θέση. Εάν τα παρατηρήσουμε κατά τη διαδικασία ελέγχου μας ή εάν γνωστοποιηθούν μέσω καταγγελίας παίκτη, μειώνουμε τη βαθμολογία φήμης και επίσης προσπαθούμε να κάνουμε το καζίνο να αρχίσει να συμπεριφέρεται δίκαια, εάν είναι εντός των δυνατοτήτων μας.

Η σύστασή μας σε αυτήν την περίπτωση είναι ότι κάθε κανόνας που απαιτείται να ακολουθούν οι παίκτες θα πρέπει να αναφέρεται στους γενικούς Όρους και Προϋποθέσεις του καζίνο ή στους Όρους και Προϋποθέσεις Μπόνους κάθε μπόνους. Το καζίνο δεν πρέπει ποτέ να προσπαθεί να εφαρμόσει κανόνες που δεν δηλώνονται δημόσια, καθώς οι παίκτες δεν έχουν τρόπο να τους γνωρίζουν.

Σίγουρα, αν θέλετε να μάθετε περισσότερα για αυτό το θέμα ή άλλα, απλώς κάντε κλικ εδώ: Fair Gambling Codex , όπου εξηγούνται πολλά πράγματα με την άποψή μας για αυτά.

Έχω μια ακόμη ερώτηση και αυτή είναι, ποιο καζίνο έχετε στη μαύρη λίστα σας λόγω των κρυφών κανόνων;

Not only due to the hidden terms, but the operation of the casino itself with prize pools and other factors.

1xbet, Mostbet, Vulkanbet, Joiabet, Snatch and all those that you mark on the site as unfair terms. The problem is not only losing money through deception, but also becoming frustrated. Things like this break up your fun, and that's not cool. Not to mention that some casinos are much more difficult to win than others, and luck and randomness cannot explain it.

Do casinos have any tool that controls RTP of games? As far as I know, these RTPs can only be changed by the provider, who owns the games. But in some, it is clear that the return, as well as the victories, are much smaller and scarcer, respectively.

There is a network of casinos, for example, such as Galaxy, Mr Fortune, bcasino and Boo, which offer very high bonuses offered to players, but impose limits on the amount of bets and allowed play with bonuses. So far so good, as usual. But if I accidentally bet wrong, because when several games are started, they appear with bets above the stipulated value, and if I make a spin, even if accidental, I lose the right to the bonus. And you only discover this after you meet the requirements and try to withdraw the money. They throw terms at the players, and bring anger.

These types of casinos are on my black list, although I still take a chance on Mr. Fortune. So, I appreciate your work precisely for that reason, many cases are identified and indicated here, so that we can enjoy fun without being deceived.

Não só devido aos termos ocultos, mas a operação do cassino em si com premiações e outros fatores.

1xbet, Mostbet, Vulkanbet, Joiabet, Snatch e todos aqueles que vocês marcam no site como termos injustos. O problema não é só perder o dinheiro por enganação, mas também ficar frustrado. Coisas assim quebram sua diversão, e isso não é legal. Sem contar que alguns cassinos é bem mais difícil de ganhar do que outros, e a sorte e aleatoriedade não conseguem explicar.

Os cassinos possuem alguma ferramenta que controla RTP dos jogos? Até onde sei, esses RTPs só podem ser alterados pelo provedor, proprietário dos jogos. Mas em alguns, percebe-se que o retorno, bem como as vitórias, são bem menores e mais escassas, respectivamente.

Existe uma rede de cassinos por exemplo, a qual o Galaxy, Mr Fortune, bcasino e Boo, que exploram bônus altíssimos oferecidos ao jogador, mas impõe limites como valor de aposta e jogo permitido com bônus. Até aí tudo certo, é de costume. Mas se eu acidentalmente apostar errado, pois vários jogos quando são iniciados, aparecem com apostas acima do valor estipulado, e se der um giro, mesmo que acidental, perde o direito do bônus. E você só descobre isso depois que cumpre os requisitos e tenta sacar o dinheiro. Ele jogam os termos contra os jogadores, e trazem raiva.

Estes tipos de cassinos estão na minha lista negra, apesar de ainda arriscar no Mr. Fortune. Então, aprecio o trabalho de vocês justamente por isso, muitos casos são aqui identificados e indicados, para que possamos desfrutar de diversão sem sermos enganados.

Cool, thanks for the link Jaro.

Bacana, obrigado pelo link Jaro.

Γεια, κατάλαβα καλύτερα αυτό που έγραψες. Φυσικά, αν ένα καζίνο έχει άδικους Όρους και Προϋποθέσεις, είναι περισσότερο κόκκινη σημαία για τον παίκτη θα έλεγα.

Όσο για το RTP, προφανώς ορίζεται από τον πάροχο, αλλά για παράδειγμα ένας πάροχος παιχνιδιών όπως το Play n go δίνει στα καζίνο την ευκαιρία να ορίσουν το RTP τους και το καζίνο επιλέγει την επιλογή. Σε αυτό το θέμα του RTP, θα προσθέσω έναν οδηγό που μπορεί επίσης να είναι χρήσιμος για εσάς: https://casino.guru/learn-about-games-of-chance-rtp-variance

Όσον αφορά τα άλλα καζίνο και τους κανόνες τους, σίγουρα θα πρέπει πάντα να τα διαβάζετε καλά και να αποφασίζετε εάν θέλετε να κάνετε κατάθεση εκεί. Η μαύρη λίστα των καζίνο είναι αρκετά κατανοητή και νομίζω ότι την έχετε σε κάποια βάση.

Σχετικά με τον σύνδεσμο που έδωσα πριν, είστε ευπρόσδεκτοι. Σίγουρα είναι ωραίο να λαμβάνετε πληροφορίες που μπορεί να μην είχατε ή να γνωρίζετε. Για αυτό είναι οι οδηγοί. Οπότε αν μπορώ να βοηθήσω τουλάχιστον έτσι θα το κάνω ευχαρίστως.

Thank you Jaro, I had already read about RTP and Volatility, today I understand the difference and importance of the two. As for the Play'n Go information, I didn't know. Are there other providers that allow changing RTP?

At Joiabet, Play'n Go slots gave very high prizes, and I noticed that the majority of no deposit free spins are from this game provider, which allows casinos to vary winnings. Thank you very much for this idea, it is completely plausible... RTP is the return to player percentage, and volatility is the payment of huge prizes, if I understand the article correctly. The greater the volatility, the greater the prizes, but with a much lower frequency of payments. Jackpot games have a high volatility rate, as the prizes tend to be very generous. A game with very high volatility is Blood Suckers, from Netent, a stingy game to pay, you have to be good with your wallet to try for a prize there...

I would really like to know which other providers allow changing their RTPs, is this possible Jaro?

These games are very rigged, which is not good since I am playing gambling games. I want to depend only on my luck and strategy to play, and not depend on the casino's good day allowing me to win, if you know what I mean.

Obrigado Jaro, eu já havia lido sobre RTP e Volatilidade, hoje entendo a diferença e importância dos dois. Já a informação da Play'n Go eu não sabia. Existem outors fornecedores que permitem a mudança de RTP?

Nesse Joiabet, as slots Play'n Go deram prêmios altíssimos, e percebo que a maioria dos free spins sem depósito são desse fornecedor de jogo, o que permite os cassinos variarem os ganhos. Muito obrigado por esta ideia, ela é totalmente plausível... RTP é a porcentagem de retorno ao jogador, e volatilidade é o pagamento de prêmios enormes, se entendi bem o artigo. Quanto maior a volatilidade, maiores são os prêmios, porém com uma frequência bem menor de pagamentos. Jogos de jackpot tem uma taxa alta de volatilidade, pois os prêmios costumam ser bem generosos. Um jogo de altíssima volatilidade é o tal do Blood Suckers, da Netent, jogo sovina para pagar, tem de ser bom de bolso para tentar um prêmio ali...

Gostaria muito de saber quais outros fornecedores permitem a mudança dos seus RTPs, é possível Jaro?

Estes jogos são muito manipulados, o que não é nada bom, uma vez que estou jogando jogos de azar. Quero depender apenas de minha sorte e estratégia para jogar, e não ainda depender do dia bom do cassino permitindo com que eu vença, se é que me entende.

Jaro, I would like to comment on something with you: On Friday (08/09) I opened an account at SlotBox Casino, as there was an eye-catching bonus and after reading the T&C, I thought it was cool to play. I deposited €20 euros using the Pix method, offered by Skrill, where the money was debited from my bank account, but it was not credited to the casino. I contacted live chat and they said they opened a ticket and would inform me via email within 48 hours.

The next day I received the ticket back, which said that they had resolved the payment problem. I happily went to the website, and the balance was zero. I responded to the email and was told in response: what was resolved was the payment method, and I could now make a new deposit. I found this hilarious, tragic and comical at the same time, but I politely questioned what would be resolved. She said that the operator would refund the amount, but so far nothing, no response from Skrill and no concern from the Casino. What do I do best?

Jaro, gostaria de comentar uma coisa com você: Na sexta (08/09) eu abri uma conta no SlotBox Cassino, pois havia um bônus chamativo e ao ler os T&C, achei legal jogar. Depositei 20€ euros através do método Pix, oferecido pela Skrill, onde o dinheiro foi debitado da minha conta bancária, mas não creditou no cassino. Entrei em contato com o chat ao vivo e disseram que abriram um ticket, e me informariam por e-mail num prazo de 48 h.

No dia seguinte recebi o retorno do ticket, onde dizia que haviam solucionado o problema do pagamento. Contente fui ao site, e o saldo estava zero. Respondi o e-mail e me foi dito em resposta: o que estava resolvido era o método de pagamento, e eu já poderia fazer um novo depósito. Achei isso hilário, trágico e cômico ao mesmo tempo, mas questionei educadamente o que seria resolvido. Ela disse que a operadora estornaria o valor, mas até agora nada, nem resposta da Skrill e nem o Cassino preocupado. O que faço de mais adequado?

Γεια, σχετικά με το RTP και τη μεταβλητότητα, σωστά καταλάβατε. Έγραψες ότι: "Όσο μεγαλύτερη είναι η αστάθεια, τόσο μεγαλύτερα τα βραβεία, αλλά με πολύ χαμηλότερη συχνότητα πληρωμών" και έτσι ακριβώς λειτουργεί, οπότε μπράβο σας.

Όσο για τη μείωση του RTP για τους παρόχους παιχνιδιών, θα προσπαθήσω να μάθω αυτές τις πληροφορίες από τους συναδέλφους μου και να σας ενημερώσω όταν μάθω κάτι νέο.

Γεια, νομίζω ότι σε αυτήν την περίπτωση θα ήταν καλή ιδέα να επικοινωνήσετε με τον πάροχο πληρωμών εάν τα χρήματα δεν έχουν πιστωθεί στον λογαριασμό σας στο καζίνο. Ωστόσο, θα ήθελα να επισημάνω ότι αυτή μπορεί να είναι μια πιο μακροχρόνια διαδικασία, καθώς το καζίνο θα είχε τα χέρια του δεμένα σε αυτήν την περίπτωση.

Ωστόσο, εάν το καζίνο σας έχει πει ότι θα επιστρέψει το ποσό σας και δεν έχει συμβεί τίποτα ακόμα και εξακολουθείτε να μην γνωρίζετε τίποτα νέο, θα συνιστούσα να υποβάλετε μια καταγγελία σε αυτόν τον σύνδεσμο: https://pt.casino.guru/reclamacoes /todas

Πιστεύετε ότι θα περιμένετε ή θα προσπαθήσετε να υποβάλετε καταγγελία; Τέλος πάντων, ενημερώστε μας αν μάθετε περισσότερες πληροφορίες.

I will wait for the wallet deadline, which is 5 business days. If they don't refund my money, I will file a complaint as Jaro suggested. I already sent a message to the Skrill company, and this is what I got in response. Friday is the deadline... Thanks for your attention Jaro, great to talk to you.

Eu vou aguardar o prazo da wallet, que são de 5 dias úteis. Se eles não devolverem meu dinheiro, farei a reclamação como sugeriu Jaro. Eu já enviei mensagem para a empresa Skrill, e foi o que obtive de resposta. Sexta feira é o prazo final... Obrigado pelas atenção Jaro, muito bom falar com vc.

Γειά σου! Θέλω απλώς να μπω στη συζήτηση σχετικά με το πώς λειτουργεί το RTP μεταξύ παρόχων παιχνιδιών και καζίνο.

Βασικά, πώς λειτουργεί είναι ότι όταν οι πάροχοι παιχνιδιών κυκλοφορούν το παιχνίδι, αναπτύσσει αυτό το παιχνίδι με πολλές επιλογές RTP. Επειδή το PlayNGo χρησιμοποιήθηκε ως παράδειγμα, θα συνεχίσω με αυτά - κάνουν συνήθως 5 διαφορετικές εκδόσεις RTP του παιχνιδιού (96.2, 94.2, 92.2 και ούτω καθεξής - όχι πραγματικούς αριθμούς, μόνο παράδειγμα). Όταν οποιοδήποτε καζίνο θέλει να χρησιμοποιήσει αυτό το παιχνίδι, μπορεί να επιλέξει από αυτές τις εκδόσεις. Δεν είναι σαν να μπορούν να πληκτρολογήσουν όποιον αριθμό θέλουν - κάθε παιχνίδι έχει τα δικά του μαθηματικά και δεν είναι δυνατό.

Και για να απαντήσω στην ερώτησή σας, σχεδόν κάθε πάροχος χρησιμοποιεί αυτό το σύστημα - δεν είναι ειδικό για το PlayNGo, είναι απλώς ένα παράδειγμα. Έτσι, υπάρχουν πολύ περισσότεροι πάροχοι που μπορούν να δώσουν επιλογές καζίνο για να διαλέξετε. Όλοι οι δημοφιλείς πάροχοι που μπορείτε να σκεφτείτε το χρησιμοποιούν αυτό.

Επίσης, δεν είναι ότι το καζίνο αλλάζει αυτό το RTP καθημερινά, όπως θέλουν. Απλώς έχουν επιλογή ποια έκδοση RTP θα τρέξουν στον ιστότοπο. Για να βεβαιωθείτε ποιο RTP χρησιμοποιείται στα παιχνίδια που παίζετε, πρέπει πάντα να ελέγχετε πληροφορίες ΜΕΣΑ στο παιχνίδι. Έτσι, όταν παίζετε παιχνίδι, υπάρχει συνήθως το "i", ως εικονίδιο πληροφοριών ( παράδειγμα ) όπου μπορείτε να διαβάσετε τα πάντα για το παιχνίδι. Είναι το ακριβές και ξέρετε ποιο είναι το πραγματικό RTP του παιχνιδιού που παίζετε.

Ελπίζω να βοηθήσει λίγο με την κατανόηση 🙂

Too much. You explaining it was really simple. So let's assume that the casino is experiencing low revenue, and to compensate for this revenue it decides to use the version with a lower RTP. Is this correct?

I always look for RTP and Volatility information, and only play those that have above 95%, which is a more acceptable statistic. Thank you for the information, and I will always look for you to answer questions, it is very helpful to understand where we put our money.

Demais. Você explicando ficou até simples. Então vamos supor que o cassino esteja em um dia de receita baixa, e para compensar essa receita ele decide por utilizar a versão com um RTP mais baixo. Isso está correto?

Sempre procuro as informações de RTP e de Volatilidade, e dou só jogo aqueles que possuem acima de 95%, que é uma estatística mais aceitável. Obrigado pelas informações, e sempre irei procurar vcs para sanar dúvidas, sai de muita valia para compreender onde colocamos nosso dinheiro.