Tired of Delayed Withdrawals? Let’s Demand Change Together. (σελίδα 2)

Θα προσθέσω επίσης για το KYC. Τα καζίνο που δεν εκτελούν αυτήν τη διαδικασία πριν από την κατάθεση δημιουργούν συνθήκες για παραβίαση του νόμου. Και τότε οι πομπώδεις δηλώσεις για «υπεύθυνο παιχνίδι» και νομοτέλεια αξίζουν δεκάρα. Ένα παιδί μπορεί να κάνει μια μεταφορά σε ένα τέτοιο καζίνο και, φυσικά, τα χρήματα δεν θα επιστραφούν, ακόμα κι αν κερδίσει ένα εκατομμύριο. Σε πολλές χώρες, ένας πωλητής (ταμίας) που πουλάει αλκοόλ σε ένα παιδί θα του επιβληθεί πρόστιμο. Ακολουθεί μια στενή αναλογία.

Ακόμα και ο δεύτερος λογαριασμός μπορεί να αναγνωριστεί έτσι, πριν από την κατάθεση, κατά την εγγραφή. Όπως και στα επίγεια καζίνο, υπάρχει έλεγχος κατά την είσοδο στο κατάστημα. Μερικές φορές οι διαδικτυακοί παίκτες ξεχνούν τον κωδικό πρόσβασής τους ή ακόμα και την πρώτη τους εγγραφή πριν από πολύ καιρό. Δεν χρειάζεται να τους χαρακτηρίσετε αμέσως ως κυνηγούς μπόνους και να τους μπλοκάρετε (ειδικά κατά την ανάληψη χρημάτων). Άλλωστε, μπορείτε: α) να διαγράψετε έναν επιπλέον λογαριασμό· β) να απενεργοποιήσετε τα μπόνους και τα τουρνουά στο ένα ή και στα δύο... δηλαδή, να μειώσετε κάπως τον βαθμό παράνοιας. Πριν από 15 χρόνια έψαχνα για ένα καζίνο χωρίς καθόλου μπόνους, ώστε να μπορώ να παίζω ήρεμα. Θυμάμαι μόνο ένα τέτοιο καζίνο τώρα, στον διαδικτυακό bookmaker Pinnacle.

Hello, that's fine. I myself stated that there is a contradiction. I just don't believe your idea is currently viable or will be embraced by casinos. Despite this, I understand what you're saying, and while I said it'd be cool, the reality is different.

I'm sorry, but in my experience, not every delayed payment is because the casino wants the player to lose. But I understand your viewpoint.

Thanks for acknowledging the contradiction, Radka. I understand your point that not every delay is intentional. But here’s the problem: from a player’s perspective, the effect is the same. Whether it’s a deliberate tactic or just "operations," the result is players waiting days or weeks for money that was taken instantly. That’s not fair.

If casinos truly wanted to protect players and follow KYC/AML rules, the logical step would be to verify accounts before deposits are accepted. That way, both the casino and the player know everything is in order from the start. Doing KYC only once someone wins feels like it’s designed to create obstacles, not compliance.

You say casinos won’t embrace this idea but that’s exactly why players need to keep demanding it. What looks "unrealistic" today can become standard tomorrow if enough pressure builds. After all, fast payouts used to exist at some casinos years ago, so we know it’s possible.

At the end of the day, trust is built on balance: if money goes in instantly, it should come out just as quickly once verified. Until that becomes the norm, frustration will continue, and more players will lose faith in the industry.

Yes, anything out of the ordinary definitely frustrates players and gives them a solid reason for considering things from a different perspective. Just only if you could say some of the casinos' reasons why something is not applicable on their platform when we are talking about open player complaints...

If I were to say something general, which is always easier, I would say that where there is will, the path will show itself. I probably did not express myself well; I understand that delays are inconvenient, and casinos should do everything they can to avoid them, because the first consequence is a loss of trust.

I know that. Dealing with it daily here on the forum, in emails, in social media chats... It's everywhere.

Point taken.

Thanks, Radka, I appreciate you acknowledging that delays destroy trust. That’s really the heart of the issue.

If deposits are instant and never delayed, then withdrawals should also be instant once a player is verified. Anything else creates exactly what you said: frustration and lost trust.

Where there is will, there is a way so maybe it’s time for players to demand the will from casinos. The solution isn’t complicated:

• One-time KYC before deposits

• 24h max withdrawals once verified

• No repeated loops or excuses

The more we as players keep repeating this, the harder it becomes to ignore. Let’s make "Instant Deposits = Instant Withdrawals" the standard.

I'm just saying that it is always at the will of the people working the casino in the end. You may come up with the best standards, but the outcome for the players is always in the hands of particular casino workers.

A parallel, perhaps: My colleague Šimon and his team are constantly working on reaching standards for responsible gambling practices worldwide. This process involves engaging in debates, technical discussions, and communication with dozens of licensing authorities and stakeholders. Before creating any working standard, we must strike a balance among all those aspects. After several years of trying, the current state is described:

"Broader consultations with stakeholders

In the final phase, industry stakeholders will be invited to provide critical feedback on the interim self-exclusion rules, which will subsequently be integrated into the final paper offering guidance on self-exclusion."

I think it's basically the same as what we're talking about; the idea is always clear. The path involves finding a balance, and the implementation relies on casinos, especially given the numerous licensing authorities and international regulations. The fragmentation of the entire gambling industry, in my opinion, typically slows down any project. And in the end, no written word forces casinos to be more efficient or transparent or cooperative. This thread is the best proof that even a regulation or law means almost nothing for example, for unlicensed casinos or smaller casinos with delays. Besides, none of that is enforceable. Try to sue the casino for a 7-day-long withdrawal. You won't even get it to the court because casino terms always state a few points explaining that the withdrawal limits or time frames are subject to change; every licensing authority does not get involved in such a case because the delay is not long "enough." Mediation hearings usually take far too long because there are always some legal time frames, like sending the letter to the owner and 30 days for respond and so on... I appreciate your perspective, but I also recognize the other factors at play.

Hence, it is about the trust I feel towards a concrete casino, more than about rights or standards for me.

I'm not trying to oppose; I'm just saying what I have been thinking about.

Με τον ένα ή τον άλλο τρόπο, το πρώτο στάδιο έχει ξεπεραστεί, έχει επιτευχθεί η κατανόηση ότι το καλό είναι καλύτερο από το κακό. Και αυτό οφείλεται σε μια διαδικασία που είναι το αντίστροφο της «βαβυλωνιακής σύγχυσης των γλωσσών» (Babylonische Sprachverwirrung)· ̶R̶e̶d̶ ̶B̶a̶l̶l̶ ̶ Ο Γκουρού δίνει ενότητα και κοινότητα! Κάποιος πρέπει να μετακινήσει το Παράθυρο Όβερτον. «Αν όχι εγώ, τότε ποιος;» - θα πούμε στον εαυτό μας, όπως η Ζαν ντ' Αρκ.

Θέλω να διευκρινίσω ότι αυτή η απάντησή μου αφορούσε στην πραγματικότητα το ερώτημα του θέματος, του οποίου ο προηγούμενος τίτλος ήταν "Αξίζει ακόμα να παίζω σε online καζίνο;". Δηλαδή, "Είναι απαραίτητο να παίζω... καθόλου;"

Χωρίς μια τέτοια τροπολογία, ολόκληρη η αρχή της συζήτησης θα φαίνεται παράξενη (πολύ γενική) στους αναγνώστες.

Good point, thank you for the context!